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    need motors and ESC's

    I have two Stampede 4x4 rollers. I have the receivers and basic electronics and servos. All I need to get the two of them going is motors and ESC's initial reaction was just to get the velenion and traxxas esc. Do you have any recommendations for something cheaper or better. I am looking for a direct install without having to make any chassis changes.


    We are not pro's just backyard bashers. I would even consider a used kit. Want to spend as little as possible for the most bang.

    The Velineon combo I have seen for about $140

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    Best bang for the buck is probably a hobbywing wp-sc8 ESC with a tacon 4074 (2150kv) motor. Will run fast on 4s. Totals less than $120. I personally never ran the tacon motor, but love my wp-sc8. I currently run a cheap 2650kv motor on 3s using the wp-sc8 and love it!

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    +1 on hw sc8! i run it with my castle 2650 on 4s its a beast! you do need to do a little chassis work, but it took me 30 minutes and i never used a dremel before. lol

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    For 2s realistic running with no chassis mods Viper RC has the Copperhead systems, 4pole sensorless smooth running. The 45OOkv would be a good match for the P4de. Also only $120.00ea.

    http://www.amainhobbies.com/product_...r-Combo-4500kV
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    The setup shaky said will be awesome on 2s but have a look at the castle waterproof sct 3800kv combo http://http://www3.towerhobbies.com/...&I=LXDRLN&P=SMAnd run 2s and 3s with the right gearing...........peace
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    Quote Originally Posted by spenniepoos View Post
    The setup shaky said will be awesome on 2s but have a look at the castle waterproof sct 3800kv combo http://http://www3.towerhobbies.com/...&I=LXDRLN&P=SMAnd run 2s and 3s with the right gearing...........peace
    My son tells me that the SCT is for "Short course truck" and that the stampede is not a short course truck does he know what he is talking about?

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    Quote Originally Posted by spenniepoos View Post
    The setup shaky said will be awesome on 2s but have a look at the castle waterproof sct 3800kv combo http://http://www3.towerhobbies.com/...&I=LXDRLN&P=SMAnd run 2s and 3s with the right gearing...........peace
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    Are all these better than the velenion? Faster? Do they work with the telemetry remote. Are they as easy to drop in? What is sensor less?

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    Quote Originally Posted by benalexe View Post
    Are all these better than the velenion? Faster? Do they work with the telemetry remote. Are they as easy to drop in? What is sensor less?
    Yes because they are 4 pole motors not 2 and yes geared the same they will be faster and they will be a direct drop in dude and sensor less means its better for bashing and sensored are better for racing because it knows where the rotor is so makes it smoother..........peace
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    I had good luck with Castles MMP and Vectro 4000kv motor.The motor you can find on e-bay for about 50.00 bucks.Itis a 4 pole motor.
    I ran a 17t pinion and stock spur gear and temps stayed around 160* on 2s. I ran mostly on the pavement. My 2 cents worth.

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    What about the traxxas tqi dock will it work with these motors. Still confused about the sensorless vs sensor

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    Look it up on google it will help with the understanding of it and I would not know about the tqi dock sorry dude..........peace
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    One more question. all my batteries are traxxas batteries. If I go with a castle do I need an adapter to work with my current batteries? What type of adapter?

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    It does mean short course but its just a name people use this set up in lots of 1 /10 scale vehicles both 2wd and 4wd drive.I run the hobbywing pro sct esc and tenshock 3500kv 4 pole 550 motor in my pede 4x4 on 2s and 3s geared 15t pinion and 54t spur and it never goes over 160f......peace
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    I managed to sell my used Velineon combo from my Slash for $125 and I picked up a new Hobbywing WP-SC8 for $69.99 shipped & LOSB9444 (Castle 2800kv 4pole Brushless 550 motor) for $56 shipped... So I ended up bascically breaking even, and I ended up with a much better system!! Im loving this 2800kv motor... I have it geared 20/54 in my slash and it runs around 130-140 degrees after a full 6000mah 50C 2S pack.. it clocks just over 40MPH on 2S and 62mph on 3S. Im scared to put in on 4S..

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    this is the combo shaky was taking about

    http://www.amainhobbies.com/product_...r-Combo-4500kV

    I was looking for this exact same combo but in my 2wd... Lot of good reviews on Viper stuff... their VTX8 ESC is impressive.


    Heres the link to the whole VX4 Line...

    http://www.viper-rc.com/vx4.html
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    Here's a member that has one installed in their P4de, pictures and a small review.

    http://traxxas.com/forums/showthread...per+copperhead
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    To the op I would go with the viper combo for 2s or look at funshobby for the hobbywing sc8 esc and tenshock sc401 v2 3400-3800kv and run 2s and 3s dude........peace
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    I also agree with Spenni, the tenshock combos really rip. It just goes to show, you don't need to spend a lot to get a great system. There is one more that I would like to touch on, but the esc doesn't have the best track record in a 4x4. Castle in the past didn't recommend the 3800kv motor with the esc.(as per gearing chart of old) Now they offer it as a combo, with said changes to the esc, and its in your price range. Its just too new for me to recommend it, I thought it would be worth mentioning though. After all its Castle.

    http://www.castlecreations.com/produ...inder_sct.html
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shaky17 View Post
    I also agree with Spenni, the tenshock combos really rip. It just goes to show, you don't need to spend a lot to get a great system. There is one more that I would like to touch on, but the esc doesn't have the best track record in a 4x4. Castle in the past didn't recommend the 3800kv motor with the esc.(as per gearing chart of old) Now they offer it as a combo, with said changes to the esc, and its in your price range. Its just too new for me to recommend it, I thought it would be worth mentioning though. After all its Castle.

    http://www.castlecreations.com/produ...inder_sct.html
    I called castle yesterday. They said that combo is really meant for a 2s battery. Can work for a little bit on 3s if I wanted to show off but too much will burn up the motor and / or esc. After having that conversation wondering if I am just better off with the stock VElenion on eBay. Which seems better rated for 3s. Also works with the traxxas docking system. I have a mac computer and the traxxas link does not work on mac.

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    Quote Originally Posted by benalexe View Post
    I called castle yesterday. They said that combo is really meant for a 2s battery. Can work for a little bit on 3s if I wanted to show off but too much will burn up the motor and / or esc. After having that conversation wondering if I am just better off with the stock VElenion on eBay. Which seems better rated for 3s. Also works with the traxxas docking system. I have a mac computer and the traxxas link does not work on mac.
    I killed my stock VXL system in 2 months on 3S.. If you plan to run on 3s more than 2s you need to step up to the MMP esc.. or go with something else better rated to handle 3S You don't want your esc to be constantly maxed out.
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    That's the one I seen that's they say can handle 3s in 4x4 trucks a round the 3kg mark and the motor comes with the 5mm motor shaft..........peace
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    For a 3s combo around $140.00, Traxxas Castle knock-off, 2400kv motor with a ET-3s. I'm not familiar with this system, but other members are. $132.00

    http://www.dollarhobbyz.com/servlet/...y-Car-*/Detail

    http://www.dollarhobbyz.com/servlet/...y-Car-*/Detail

    A real Castle 2400 with a real MMP this is by far a combo I can recommend.

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    Have a look at this for a good bang for your buck combo And its the 3400kv you want for 2s and 3s running http://www.funshobby.com/index.php/p...IPPING%29.html .........peace
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    Quote Originally Posted by spenniepoos View Post
    Have a look at this for a good bang for your buck combo And its the 3400kv you want for 2s and 3s running http://www.funshobby.com/index.php/p...IPPING%29.html .........peace
    Wow I really like that one. Price is good. any idea if it is decent? Also is it drop in where the traxxas is or do I have to modify the cahssie?

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    Quote Originally Posted by spenniepoos View Post
    Have a look at this for a good bang for your buck combo And its the 3400kv you want for 2s and 3s running http://www.funshobby.com/index.php/p...IPPING%29.html .........peace

    They are sold out

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    Quote Originally Posted by spenniepoos View Post
    Have a look at this for a good bang for your buck combo And its the 3400kv you want for 2s and 3s running http://www.funshobby.com/index.php/p...IPPING%29.html .........peace
    Not sure if it matters, but this ESC is not waterproof like the Hobbywing WP-SC8 or the stock Velineon.

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    I found 3 US sellers and everyone is out of stock.
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    What about ebay guys there are a few people selling the 3400kv combo.......peace
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    I know dude I forgot to ask the OP if it had to be waterproofBut my hobbywing pro sct is not because I don't run in the wet but when it dies of old age I will swap it for its waterproof bro the sc8But that combo is sick for the cash man...........peace
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    Hello, benalexe
    I would also consider this combo from Hobbywing (3400kV or 4000kV):
    http://www.hobbywing.com/product_show.asp?id=281
    Have seen several good reviews, and it is a direct drop in with no chassis mods needed. It will set you back $110-130 (check ebay).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Viking View Post
    Hello, benalexe
    I would also consider this combo from Hobbywing (3400kV or 4000kV):
    http://www.hobbywing.com/product_show.asp?id=281
    Have seen several good reviews, and it is a direct drop in with no chassis mods needed. It will set you back $110-130 (check ebay).
    Okay this is where I am really confused. How do I decide between the 3400 and 4000. What does the kv mean?


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    kV tells you how many rpm the motor will turn with no load on 1.0 volt.
    Deciding which kV rating is best suited for you can be a little tricky. It depends on several factors (battery cell count, weight, surface to run on, gearing, speed expectations, and so on).
    However, you said you are general backyard bashers so I'll assume that just having a good time is more important than speed.
    Generally speaking, higher kV means more speed and lower kV means more torque. Lower kV motors also run cooler and can be geared higher. 3400kV will also be better suited for 3S batteries than 4000kV.
    If it was my money, I would choose the 3400kV for running 2S and 3S. Geared properly you'll get lots of torque and plenty speed (try 54T spur gear and 11-15T pinion). And get a temp gun to monitor the temps.

    All of the guys above have given good advice on motors. However, most of them will require modifications to the chassis to fit because they have longer cans (Castle 2400, 2650, 2800, Tacon 4074, Tenshock 401/411). They are also very powerful motors (1/8 scale), and will IMO require higher C-ratings on the batteries.

    Keep in mind that all of the suggested systems are more powerful than the Traxxas Velineon. This means that you will have to upgrade the driveshafts on your trucks (at least the rear ones - look into Tekno's or MIP's).
    It's actually quite logical: More power = more stress and wear on everything
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    Quote Originally Posted by Viking View Post
    kV tells you how many rpm the motor will turn with no load on 1.0 volt.
    Deciding which kV rating is best suited for you can be a little tricky. It depends on several factors (battery cell count, weight, surface to run on, gearing, speed expectations, and so on).
    However, you said you are general backyard bashers so I'll assume that just having a good time is more important than speed.
    Generally speaking, higher kV means more speed and lower kV means more torque. Lower kV motors also run cooler and can be geared higher. 3400kV will also be better suited for 3S batteries than 4000kV.
    If it was my money, I would choose the 3400kV for running 2S and 3S. Geared properly you'll get lots of torque and plenty speed (try 54T spur gear and 11-15T pinion). And get a temp gun to monitor the temps.

    All of the guys above have given good advice on motors. However, most of them will require modifications to the chassis to fit because they have longer cans (Castle 2400, 2650, 2800, Tacon 4074, Tenshock 401/411). They are also very powerful motors (1/8 scale), and will IMO require higher C-ratings on the batteries.

    Keep in mind that all of the suggested systems are more powerful than the Traxxas Velineon. This means that you will have to upgrade the driveshafts on your trucks (at least the rear ones - look into Tekno's or MIP's).
    It's actually quite logical: More power = more stress and wear on everything
    This was great info thank you. So are there any you personally would recccomend that I don't have to modify the chassis. I'm terms of the drive shaft when I blow them out I will replace them. Can any of these motors run on. 2c 3c or nimh?


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    And don't forget more fun and a thinner wallet lol.............peace
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    Dude look at post 31 as Viking showed you it will drop in with no mods and go for 3400kv and it will run 2s and 3s .....peace
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    +1 on what spennie just said.

    Just to make it perfectly clear - this is what you want:
    http://www.hobbywing.com/product_show.asp?id=281
    (Combo-SC-C1, PN 81030190, 3400kV)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Viking View Post
    +1 on what spennie just said.

    Just to make it perfectly clear - this is what you want:
    http://www.hobbywing.com/product_show.asp?id=281
    (Combo-SC-C1, PN 81030190, 3400kV)
    That's what I am going to get. Who carries it? Does not look like I can buy from that web site .

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    Just make a search on Google or Ebay with a text string like "hobbywing ezrun 3400kv combo".
    Lowest prices, often combined with free shipping, are mostly found on webshops in Hong Kong or mainland China. I would prefer getting it from Hong Kong due to generally more reliable and faster shipping.

    If you get one, give us some feedback whenever you can.

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    Yeah dude a review would be awesome and I have had no problems getting my stuff from china that's where funshobby is based .........peace
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