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  1. #1
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    Castle Creations Mamba Max Pro vs Sidewinder 3

    Did some drag racing on my Rustler vs my brother's p4de. Rustler has CC Sidewinder 3+4600kv geared for 57mph on 3s 5000mah 25c and p4de has CC Mamba Max Pro +4600kv geared for 64mph on 3s 5000mah 35c. Due to 4wd inefficiency and a more aerodynamic body (Bandit body) I was the faster of the two. We're geared pretty conservatively bc we're not built for just straight line runs. I'll list our setups below and then I'll list our temps and voltages after the 7runs.

    4wd E-Jato
    20/54 32p with stock 3.92 internal ratio
    Mamba Max Pro with castle 4600kv motor
    Traxxas aluminum motor mount
    Passive cooling: Bastens aluminum heatsink
    Active cooling: Integy heatsink with dual fan
    Arctic Silver Ceramique 2
    Associated XP ds1015 steering servo (201,.108)
    Front: Blue Losi 3.8lb/in 2" Front spring
    Rear: Blue Losi 4.1lb/in 2.5" spring
    B3 front/C4 Rear shock mounts
    45wt/50wt shock oil
    Shocks: stock Ultra shocks
    STRC aluminum shock caps
    Front/rear preload: 14mm front/12mm rear
    Front/Rear Shocks lowered: 0/1lrg limiter
    Hard front sway bar midway to pivot point
    Hard rear sway bar farthest from pivot point
    Proline Protrac kit (18mm widening)
    Hot Racing 25mm aluminum wide kit
    Aluminum 30 degree caster blocks
    Front toe in: 1 degree
    Rear toe in: stock 1.5 degrees
    Front camber links Long/Angled on position 4
    Rear Camber link: shortest/parallel on position 1
    Traxxas Anaconda 2.8 Tires
    30k/slipper setting half turn out/30k
    Traxxas aluminum bearing adaptor
    Jato 3.3 body
    1.25oz lead weight on bumper
    Floureon Lipo battery monitor
    Traxxas wheelie bar
    Steering expo @25%
    Throttle expo @zero%
    Steering dual rate @100%
    Sub-trim: 0%
    Right Steering end point @130%
    Left Steering end point @130%
    AVC: 35% ST/35%TH/85% Priority
    MMP ESC Settings: Black and White wires switched 1.Forward/brake/Reverse, 2.Brakes 50%, 3.Reverse speed 25%, 4.Punch control level 1.High, 5.Drag brake zero, 6.Start power Medium, 7.Voltage cutoff Auto, 8.Motor timing Low(0 degrees), 9.Motor type Brushless
    Venom 3s 5000 35C
    Front/Rear track width: 14.3"/14.3"


    TheRoadWarrior
    19/83 48p gearing
    Castle Creations 4600kv
    Castle Creations SV3 with fan
    Associated XP ds1015 steering servo (201,.108)
    Front: Black Losi 4.1lb/in 2" front spring
    Rear: Stock Rustler 2.9lb/in 2.5" rear spring
    B2/B4 shock mounts
    50wt/35wt oil
    Stock Traxxas Ultra shocks
    Front shock shaft titanium-nitride coated
    Front/Rear Preload: 8mm front/14mm rear
    Front/Rear Shocks lowered: 2sml/1lrg2sml
    Front/Rear droop: 11mm/1mm
    RPM wide mod
    STRC Front shock tower
    STRC Rear shock tower
    Front: Long Camber Link setting
    Rear: High roll center setting
    Toe: 1 degree toe-out/-1.5 degrees
    Camber: -2/.5 degrees
    RPM bumper upside-down
    Traxxas aluminum bulkhead
    Traxxas aluminum 30 degree caster block
    Traxxas aluminum front hub carrier
    Traxxas aluminum bellcrank
    Nitro 4-Tec 1.5 degree rear stub carrier
    Bandit body
    1.5oz lead weight in bulkhead
    1.25oz lead weight on bumper
    Tires: Proline Dirt Hawgs/Proline Dirt Hawgs
    Temperature and Voltage Telemetry
    Traxxas wheelie bar with rubber wheels
    Slipper setting: 1/2 turn out
    Steering sensitivity @25.2%
    Throttle expo @zero%
    Steering dual rate @100%
    Sub-trim: 0%
    Right Steering end point @84.8%
    Left Steering end point @100%
    Throttle EPA: 100%
    Brake EPA: 75.2%
    Brakes @80%
    TSM setting: 50%
    ESC setting: 1.Forward/brake/Reverse, 2.Brakes 50%, 3.Reverse speed 25%, 4.Punch control level 1.High, 5.Drag brake zero, 6.Dead Band Normal(.1ms), 7.Voltage cutoff Auto, 8.Motor timing Lowest(0 degrees), 9.Motor type Brushless
    Traxxas 3s 5000mah 25C
    Front/Rear track width: 13.6"/13.3"
    Ride Height: 27mm/27mm

    Both of our ESC settings are the same. The batteries are almost the same. I may have the better tires but he has 4wd. Our slippers are also set the same. But here's the differences:
    Temps: Outside temp was 79 degrees
    P4de with MMP
    ESC: 105 degrees F
    Motor:109 degrees F
    Battery: ~90 degrees
    Rustler with Sidewinder
    ESC: 110 degrees F
    Motor: 115 degrees F
    Battery: ~90 degrees

    Battery Voltages left:
    P4de: 11.5v
    Rustler: 11.9v

    So in a heavier, less efficient system the MMP system ran cooler. I'm assuming the motor on the p4de ran cooler too bc of the dual fan+dual heatsink. Of course my Rustler had less amperage draw bc it's more efficient being 2wd, was more aerodynamic, and has lower gearing (higher gear ratio of 11.88 vs 10.584).

    This may not be a Rustler vs Rustler comparison but you can easily see the Mamba Max Pro is much better than the Sidewinder 3

  2. #2
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    One thing about his P4d3 though is that it sounds amazing. That 32p combined with his 4600kv motor sounds beautiful. Has a mean growl while mine has a high pitch whine to it (which also sounds cool)

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