I wanna upgrade my motor/esc, but I don't have any experience other than the stock Velineon system and a Mamba Monster Max in a friend's E-Revo. I wanna know which motor/esc combo will give me the best bang for the buck, whether it's a Castle, Tekin, Novak, Viper, etc, etc. Also, could you guys explain to me the ratings of the motors, as far as Kv, number of turns and all that and what the pros and cons of sensored vs sensorless motors are. Thanks everybody.
Also, if you guys could throw a few links in as to where I could find them and how much they cost, I would appreciate it. Thanks again.
Tons of people run castle systems. 2400 probably the most popular of the bunch. I had the 2400 it was great. I now the the 2200. That one is a beast
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^^^^what robdog said, the MM2200 is a beast, why do we need that must power in a 1/10 scale? Because we can.
Slash 4X4, MM 2200kv
i also run the 2200 system, and i think that combo is probably the sickest of them all for all out torque and speed, but you'll have to replace your driveshafts with cvds at a minimum. I even had issues twisting the driveshafts with the 2400 on 4S. alot of people like the 3800 on 3S, but you'll need to gear that low and watch your temps.
so if you have a 2200kv motor, essentially, it's equates to 2200 x 4.21(the voltage per lipo cell)x (what ever your S count is on the battery)=RPM
so if you run a 3S lipo, it's 4.21x3=12.63
12.63x2200=27,783RPMs on 3S lipo....now...all these motors have different can sizes....the larger the dimeter the can and the longer it is, the more torque your gonna have. so, your velineon is a 36mm diameter can and is 55mm in length...the 2200 is a 42mm diameter can & 75mm long, the 2200 has MUCH, MUCH more torque than the velineon. that being said, because it carries so much more torque, you can gear it MUCH MUCH higher than the velineon and not get the motor as hot.
however, with a motor that carries a lower KV ratng like the 2200, most people tend to run them on 3 and 4S. basically, it comes down to gettng the most effecient way to go fast with alot of torque.
the velineon will do 65mph on 3S geared let's say 20/54...this setup is gonna run WAYYYY hot after 2-3 minutes even running on the street. this is not very effecient.
the 2200 will do 65mph geared 11/54 on 4S and your motor temps will probably never see 130 degrees on a 35+ minute session on the street. this is the more effecient way to go fast and have lots of torque and have cool temps.
hope that helps.
Last edited by vxlrocket; 10-01-2012 at 08:20 AM.
"It's just RC, not rocket appliances"-Ricky
I have the MMP 2400kv, and absolutely love it. I can't speak for how it compares to the 2200 or the 2650, but I can say that it is loads better than the stock VXL. To top it off, the price difference between the VXL system and the MMP 2400 wasn't that big (especially when you consider the benefits.)
Slash 4x4 stock
Slash 4x4 MMP 2400
Last edited by vxlrocket; 10-01-2012 at 12:33 PM.
"It's just RC, not rocket appliances"-Ricky
The vxl is known to overheat fairly easy. I however ran mine on 3s with 13/54 (stock) gearing for about 3 weeks and never could get it to thermal. Mine would run about 175* max. C rating won't do much for you. Most effective things are gearing down, and allowing airflow in by putting holes in the windshield of the stock body.
Tekin scx4 and hobbywing esc 4.5t. The truck is an absolute beast and I have no need at all for 3 or 4s lipo. 2s is all you need for it to be a tire shredder
How's this guy sound? Anybody run the Mamba Max Pro with the with the 2400kV motor? I guess I should mention that I'm more into going fast and tearing up gravel than racing. There's really no legit tracks around here to run on.
Idk if you like a good bang for the buck system i would go for the tacon 3674 about $40motor or the tacon 4074 about $70. For an esc i like the toro sc 120a these can be found on ebay for about $60 to $70. Either of these combos will cost about the same as the velineon. I haven't run the cc stuff so i don't Know how truly awesome they are.
I've been very impressed with the tacon I am running.
The ********* is worth a look also.
you can actually just upgrade the ESC to the Mamba Max Pro and see a big difference. Call Castle tomorrow and talk to the techs....they are a WEALTH of knowledge and very willing to share it!!! GREAT customer service!!!
I would say tacon is a great motor for the money. Even Jang said that he could only feel a dfference in bottom end torque between the castle and the tacon and toro. The castle has more torque but the tacon and the toro are identicle. I think he said the tacon is 59 and the toro is 99. I went with the castl e 2200 and love it. Absolute beast.
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