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    No problem!

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    Flywheel issue

    I had a similar problem with my 3.3 I used a propane torch to heat it up a little works like a charm. Also a freind of mine used a air impact wrench on his hope this helps.

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    Hey Desert, that clutch nut removal tool you posted is very handy to have! The clutch nut is torqued down at about 60lbs. So I can feel your pain... its tough getting it off without the proper tools.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Desert JATO
    o.k .. here's my first problem:

    Don't know how to remove the flywheel from my dead engine to place on
    the new engine ?
    should unscrew this black nut ? it's so hard doing so, but if i should i'll apply
    some additional force to unscrew it..

    What I to to remove it is put the fly wheel in a vice, then take a deep wall socket and remove the nut, then tap the crank shaft with a hammer verry lightly till the fly wheel comes loose and onece it is loose you can pull it off with your hand, then I take a tuneing screwdriver and put it in the crack of the little washer thing and then it just slides off. To put it on just put the washer thing on, then put the flywheel on, then just use the nut to tighten the flywheel down.
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    thanks guys for your feelings and advises. it's really so hard to get it out.
    i hope that i'll find the aproperiate tool to fix it.

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    o.k.. it's done
    just bought a full set from the hardware store and it's o.k now,
    i used the 8mm deep wall sicket to unscrew it while securing the flywheel
    with the help of my brother.



    Quote Originally Posted by n3.3d_for_sp33d
    What I to to remove it is put the fly wheel in a vice, then take a deep wall socket and remove the nut, then tap the crank shaft with a hammer verry lightly till the fly wheel comes loose and onece it is loose you can pull it off with your hand, then I take a tuneing screwdriver and put it in the crack of the little washer thing and then it just slides off. To put it on just put the washer thing on, then put the flywheel on, then just use the nut to tighten the flywheel down.
    Thanks need4speed for notifying me about the "little washer" , because i thought that i need only the flywheel & it's nut..
    Thanks

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    Quote Originally Posted by Desert JATO
    o.k.. it's done
    just bought a full set from the hardware store and it's o.k now,
    i used the 8mm deep wall sicket to unscrew it while securing the flywheel
    with the help of my brother.





    Thanks need4speed for notifying me about the "little washer" , because i thought that i need only the flywheel & it's nut..
    Thanks
    There we go! Now thats what im talking about!

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    it's your support molinajr & all others here what's make me feeling that
    TRUELY that i'm not working a lone
    each guidence and advise are appreaciated from my heart, each time i'm thinking that i'm half of the planet away, from this friend or that i remember
    that i'm lucky being able to talk to my friends at u.s, south africa, australia, and the u.k all here with me ..
    Thanks all guys.. i'll update later

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    hey deseert are u gonna run a bumpbax?
    been there bought that

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    no, i'm always with ez-start ( if you meant pumbstart box ),
    maybe you are reffering to the damage flywheel's tooth ? right ?

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    bailiff, bring the dictionary :P

    just so you know, that washer thing is called a call-et
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    hey, iltsonitm, my apology man if you meant me, my english is so poor when
    talking english and it's very very poor in slang
    so would you please explain the above ?

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    Desert, sorry bro just getting to you, but glad you got the clutch nut off.

    The grip or channel locks someone mentioed earlier is the best tool along with your glow plug wrench, if you have a good one. But all esle fails do like you did. Everybody needs a goos socket set.
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    no problem revonitro the guys here didn't wait for a second helping me
    you too also since i started your idea of putting the .21TM for my jato.
    some diffeculties as you read above, but it's o.k now..

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    I don't mean anything dj its a joke funny ha ha thing just you and forbes both can't spell bump box :P

    your english is very good by the way
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    Quote Originally Posted by iltsonitm
    I don't mean anything dj its a joke funny ha ha thing just you and forbes both can't spell bump box :P

    your english is very good by the way
    yeh.. & guess what ? i thought about it's a spelling issue so
    look at tower site looking after the word reffering to the start box to find
    the correct spelling .. just to help myself not to cause other trouble reading
    my posts.

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    o.k .. finished installing the engine. i still have to place on the header & the pipe with some other minors things..
    Just read the TM.21 manual and it appeared to me that it's max danger temp
    is 248F..
    this is so important to me to know the exact red zone for the engine's max temp. it's not clear if this aboce temp is the one i'm looking for because it was posted in the manual as caution note for the bearings .

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    i would just use that temp as a guideline. ive owned quite a few o.s. mills and have seen many more and they rarely reach that temp unless theres a leak somwhere.

    congrats on ur new mill
    Keep spendin $$ and ur still in the way!!

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    what u mean i cant spell?
    im from texas i talk like i talk...lol
    and the brown bottles dont help either
    actually meant ... i type like i talk... stuipid brown bottle
    been there bought that

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    Quote Originally Posted by iltsonitm
    bailiff, bring the dictionary :P

    just so you know, that washer thing is called a call-et

    actually.... isnt it a collet?
    lol
    webster... party foul on ilt

    besides... what is iltsntim?
    been there bought that

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    Quote Originally Posted by forbes
    actually.... isnt it a collet?
    lol
    webster... party foul on ilt

    besides... what is iltsntim?
    LOL, don't put that bottle down Texas. I been on vacation for 7 days w/ plenty of those brown bottles. I even built another car. My wrenching is better on the brown bottle.

    Desert, jusleanit is right. I had to wrap my head in foil to get the temps to 220 most of the time. I called O.S. about my old .18tm and they said temps are not a problem. The engine can take 260-280 and may run very good in that range. You got a good motor bro.
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    o.k, it's done now ! not sure of the fuel filter because when i installed it last
    winter ( almost a year ago ) and the fuel didn't flow out of it ?!
    i tried reversing input/output nothing changes..
    anyway, the manual says to rise the valve needle 30 deg after each use
    of a full tank till compleating 5 tanks.. sould i stricktly follow this ?

    here's some pic's b4 & after


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    Looks good Desert JATO, now fire that baby up.
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    Make sure you heat the engine up with a hari dryer or heat gun on the first start.
    REVO LRP .30x

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    im happy for u brother
    looks good
    been there bought that

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    Done revonitro, going to perform the break'n prec. this upcoming after noon..
    Thanks forbes

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    Quote Originally Posted by forbes
    what u mean i cant spell?
    im from texas i talk like i talk...lol
    and the brown bottles dont help either
    actually meant ... i type like i talk... stuipid brown bottle
    some of the best things in life come in brown bottles partial to SAM adams...
    I didn't mean you should look up my handle
    yes it is coll-et but i spelled it phonetically, is better than that little washer thing IE
    not sure what a party foul is unless its wild turkey
    surprised you haven't guessed
    iltsonitm=
    I love the smell of nitro in the morning. first letter each word.
    sorry to bust on you and DJ but I always got your bax
    Nice engine there DJ looking good!
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    make sure your slipper clutch is adjusted right, i had to learn the hard way with my 21tm. every race i was replacing 2speed gears cause the motor has so much torque.

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    nice job Desert...time to get that monster broken in and post up some new videos running it in the desert...good luck with your break in...
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    thanks all guys.. this support always push me against some turnbacks,
    it's the first time i made such major works on my jato, 1st time remove an engine from it's place and replace it with another

    and yeh, revonitro advises me to start with 1 & 1/2 turn from close with the slipper clutch to avoid any possible damage to gears.. maybe i'll even make them 2 turns from close ( counter clock wise ) to eleminate the damage hazard ?

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    Two turns won't hurt, but I thinkg 1 1/2 is fine. I eventually got bold and worked my way from 1 1/2 down to 1 turn out on the slipper. I wanted to get all the power to the ground I could. Still no damage.

    Just mkae sure you take your gearing and the larger tires into consideration as well, and you will be fine.
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    That's more than appreciated man Thanks a lot
    alsthough i have in hand an extra gear set just incase anything went wrong, but i don't want to waste it if i can avoid it.

    already placed revo gearing 20/40 , moab tires is their so i have to be careful here.

    just now failed to charge my ez start battery, it looks that it's charging only the upper side of it as the other half of it still cold !!
    i'll see if it can be charged again, or just by an 3000mAh Nimh battery from the lhs as it's the only availble .

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    i just started running my first tank, but what happened was really
    strange the clutch bell E clip went off ( i didn't notice that ) and the truck
    continues running. maybe because i was gentle on the throttle.

    when i stopped the truck after half of a tank because of the hot temp
    i saw ( F 264 ) i saw the bearing & the e clip just infront of the door stip !

    the temp problem will be over come by changing the stock ( hot ) glow plug
    and replace it with a med-hot or cold glow plug ( LC4 )

    Now the Q:
    does the ( 5mm ) E-clip of the cb fall off because the .21TM crankshaft don't match with that E clip size or maybe the E clip need to be replaced ?
    in another word : are you using the stock 5mm E-Clip to secure the cb over the .21TM crankshaft end ?
    Last edited by Desert JATO; 01-01-2009 at 07:11 AM.

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    o.k.. nevermind that e clip. i Just replace it with a new one and it's securing
    the cb. i'm sure now that the old E clip turns wider so it can't hold around the cranckshaft
    copleated 2tanks now with slow speed, this rise the temp. it's running between F 240-270 although i'm using a mega tech q9 cold glow plug.

    it's sunny warm here today, but tomorrow it will turns very cold as the forcast
    saying. maybe better to wait till tomorrow to finish the whole thing as the
    weather becomes much colder to help avoiding seeing the temps rise to 270

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    Quote Originally Posted by Desert JATO
    o.k.. nevermind that e clip. i Just replace it with a new one and it's securing
    the cb. i'm sure now that the old E clip turns wider so it can't hold around the cranckshaft
    copleated 2tanks now with slow speed, this rise the temp. it's running between F 240-270 although i'm using a mega tech q9 cold glow plug.

    it's sunny warm here today, but tomorrow it will turns very cold as the forcast
    saying. maybe better to wait till tomorrow to finish the whole thing as the
    weather becomes much colder to help avoiding seeing the temps rise to 270
    You can use the e-clip, but I use a screw from shim kit on all my engines. I would continue the breakin process. You can always shut it down when it hits 260-270. You won't hurt that engine 260-280.

    The more tanks you run through it, the more it will loosen up and the more the temps will drop. Just be patient, you got a full gallon, less 2 tanks to go before you will see max performance.

    I just checked mine, and after nearly a gallon, the pinch is tight enough so I still can't turn it over with my finger without taking off some skin.
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    Quote Originally Posted by revonitro
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    .. the pinch is tight enough so I still can't turn it over with my finger without taking off some skin.
    due to my little english i apologize would you pls. explain the above ? what is the pinch here ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Desert JATO
    due to my little english i apologize would you pls. explain the above ? what is the pinch here ?
    I think he is talking about when you turn the fly wheel with your finger. I think it pretty much means that it has alot of compression.
    No more money for rc trucks I got 1:1 truck

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    uh.. so this is what he was saying. Thanks Need4speed

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    Pinch and compression aren't the same thing. To see what pinch is, remove the cooling head and turn the flywheel. When the piston pushes the sleeve up out of the block a bit... that's a demonstration of what is called the "pinch."

    Just so you know, it is possible for an engine to have great pinch with very poor compression. As another marshal once said, you can hit a sleeve with a hammer to get more pinch!
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    hat's additional info's appreciated cooleocool never forget your help man
    if you browse the alley you'll find me posting your name with good thoughts
    man.

    back to my 21TM break'n, it's was hot enough yesterday so i stopped
    at the 2nd tank as the outside temp rises to F85. Today it went ugly cold
    it's now F44 & dropping ( that's desert extreme climate ).. but it was on my side this i completed the whole
    break'n process, i even i added a sixth tank just to make sure it done the correct way.

    i have to say that starting the engine is difficult with me & i really don't know why although i'm warming the engine with a dryer first.

    another q revonitro here, when should it starts wheelie ?
    it didn't do so with me. maybe i should wait for like after a 1/2 gallon ?
    or just tight the slipper clutch at 1 1/2 turn ?

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