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    New gear ratio with LST diffs???

    I know that this has been discussed in some very long threads but i really dont have the time to go through them. So what i want to know is about the gear ratio. What gear ratio do i have to use on my ERBE now that i have installed the lst diffs so that the acceleration and speed are the same with stock which is 18t/65t.
    Thank you and sorry for bring something up that its already there.
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    A temp gun is kind of a must have.....

    Hot motor + cool esc = under geared.
    Cool motor + hot esc = over geared
    Everything warm just right..

    Motor ~ 180/190*F (82/88*C) maximum, ideally 140/160*F (60/71*C), temps can be 10*F higher inside the motor
    ESC ~ pretty much same temps / Fan comes on @ 150*F (65*C)
    Lipo's ~ 140*F (60*C) max, ideally 100/120*F (38/49*C).........



    Diff ratio LST2

    4s = 40 mph
    5s = 50 mph
    6s = 60 mph

    change the motor Kv, cell count, spur & pinion count, & tire size.


    BrianG speed chart:

    http://www.scriptasylum.com/rc_speed/top_speed.html

    Import this:


    Differential Ratio: 3.3076923076923075
    Transmission Ratio: 1.8333333333333333
    Other Ratio: 1
    Spur Tooth Count: 68
    Pinion Tooth Count: 24
    Total Voltage: 22.2
    Motor KV: 1800
    Tire Diameter (inches): 5.9
    Tire Ballooning (inches): 0
    Motor Current Draw: 0
    Motor Coil Resistance: 0.006
    Spur/Pinion Ratio: 2.83 : 1
    Total Ratio: 17.18162 : 1
    Tire Circumference (inches): 18.54 inches (470.8 mm)
    Rollout: 1.08:1
    Total Motor Speed: 39960 RPM
    Vehicle Speed: 40.82 mph (65.57 km/h)
    Effective KV Value: 1800
    KT constant: 0.75 oz-in/A
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    Thanks man thats some great info there. I will just give it a go with my setup and see what i get. I am going to run the calculator with the stock erbe gear ratio (18/65) and diffs first and then change to lst diffs just to see the difference.
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    the LST2 is a little lower diff ratio, worth a couple of teeth on the pinion.........

    traxxas
    Differential Ratio: 2.8461538461538463

    losi
    Differential Ratio: 3.3076923076923075
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    RESULTS FOR A STOCK ERBE ON 4S

    Differential Ratio: 2.8461538461538463
    Transmission Ratio: 1.8333333333333333
    Other Ratio: 1
    Spur Tooth Count: 65
    Pinion Tooth Count: 18
    Total Voltage: 14.80
    Motor KV: 2200
    Tire Diameter (inches): 5.9
    Tire Ballooning (inches): 0
    Motor Current Draw: 0
    Motor Coil Resistance: 0.006

    Spur/Pinion Ratio: 3.61 : 1
    Total Ratio: 18.84259 : 1
    Tire Circumference (inches): 18.54 inches (470.8 mm)
    Rollout: 0.98:1
    Total Motor Speed: 32560 RPM
    Vehicle Speed: 30.33 mph (48.72 km/h)
    Effective KV Value: 2200
    KT constant: 0.61 oz-in/A


    RESULTS OF ERBE on 4S WITH LST DIFFS
    (all input values are same as above except Front/Rear Differential Gear Ratio)

    Differential Ratio: 3.3076923076923075
    Transmission Ratio: 1.8333333333333333
    Other Ratio: 1
    Spur Tooth Count: 65
    Pinion Tooth Count: 18
    Total Voltage: 14.80
    Motor KV: 2200
    Tire Diameter (inches): 5.9
    Tire Ballooning (inches): 0
    Motor Current Draw: 0
    Motor Coil Resistance: 0.006

    Spur/Pinion Ratio: 3.61 : 1
    Total Ratio: 21.89815 : 1
    Tire Circumference (inches): 18.54 inches (470.8 mm)
    Rollout: 0.85:1
    Total Motor Speed: 32560 RPM
    Vehicle Speed: 26.1 mph (41.92 km/h)
    Effective KV Value: 2200
    KT constant: 0.61 oz-in/A

    As you can see from the above results the speed reduces by 4.23mph (6.8km/h) when the LST diffs are installed on a stock ERBE. This actually means that the truck will have more acceleration right?

    I will play some more with gear ratios and post the results here and i will use it for future reference
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    RESULTS OF ERBE on 4S WITH LST DIFFS and (24T/68T)

    Differential Ratio: 3.3076923076923075
    Transmission Ratio: 1.8333333333333333
    Other Ratio: 1
    Spur Tooth Count: 65
    Pinion Tooth Count: 24
    Total Voltage: 14.80
    Motor KV: 2200
    Tire Diameter (inches): 5.9
    Tire Ballooning (inches): 0
    Motor Current Draw: 0
    Motor Coil Resistance: 0.006

    Spur/Pinion Ratio: 2.71 : 1
    Total Ratio: 16.42361 : 1
    Tire Circumference (inches): 18.54 inches (470.8 mm)
    Rollout: 1.13:1
    Total Motor Speed: 32560 RPM
    Vehicle Speed: 34.8 mph (55.9 km/h)
    Effective KV Value: 2200
    KT constant: 0.61 oz-in/A

    Now by changing the pinion gear from 18t to 24t the speed has increased to 34.8 mph (55.9 km/h). The speed looks good but i will have to check it in real life and see hoe the temps are.
    Last edited by uninterrc; 10-06-2012 at 08:54 AM.
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    EDIT lol we were both working it out......funny....
    EDIT..edit yes you will have more low end torque with a lower gearing, but watch the temp even with low gearing...


    2/2s....... 18/65

    losi
    26.1 mph
    Reduction Ratio 3.61:1


    traxxas
    30.33 mph
    Reduction Ratio 3.61 : 1

    ================================================== ===========


    2/2s.........18/54

    losi
    31.41 mph
    Reduction Ratio 3: 1


    traxxas
    36.51 mph
    Reduction Ratio 3: 1



    add about five mph for a fully charged batts.....
    gear it up start at 18/54 prob go to 21/54
    gl2u
    Peace........
    Last edited by 87 GN; 10-06-2012 at 09:00 AM.
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    RESULTS OF ERBE on 4S WITH LST DIFFS and (19T/68T)
    Vehicle Speed: 27.55 mph (44.25 km/h)

    RESULTS OF ERBE on 4S WITH LST DIFFS and (20T/68T)
    Vehicle Speed: 29 mph (46.58 km/h)

    RESULTS OF ERBE on 4S WITH LST DIFFS and (21T/68T)
    30.45 mph (48.91 km/h)

    RESULTS OF ERBE on 4S WITH LST DIFFS and (22T/68T)
    31.9 mph (51.24 km/h)

    RESULTS OF ERBE on 4S WITH LST DIFFS and (23T/68T)
    33.35 mph (53.57 km/h)

    Well it seams that the closest you can get to the stock erbe speed with lst diffs its to change the pinion from 18t to 21t which gives you 30.45mph and its really close to the speed of a stock erbe calculated at 30.33mph. I will buy a couple of pinions just to check them out and make sure i can find the sweet spot on it.

    I would probable buy 20t, 21t, 23t and 24t if they do exist.
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    LOL i am still working on it.....hehehe

    Well up to now i have been driving my erbe with everything stock and 18t/65t, i havent tried out that 54t spurgear and i was planning to start from 20t/65t then 21t/65t then 22t/65t then 23t/65t and finnally 24t/65t. Do you suggest using the 54t spur gear?
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    I run LST diffs as well on 4S.

    My gearing is 25/54 on 3.8 badlands and all is well with temps. I wish i had more top end though. Im a speed freak.

    The batteries do struggle as i am drawing so many amps. On my next battery purchase i plan to jump back to 6s and drop my gearing back down so the voltage gives me the speed instead of high gearing. Its such a balancing act with the truck. Lol
    Last edited by anr2442; 10-06-2012 at 09:37 AM.
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    Since the 54T spurgear has been brought up i will also post some of the results using that one.

    RESULTS OF A STOCK ERBE on 4S (18T/54T)
    Vehicle Speed: 36.51 mph (58.65 km/h)

    RESULTS OF ERBE on 4S WITH LST DIFFS (18T/54T)
    Vehicle Speed: 31.41 mph (50.46 km/h)


    RESULTS OF ERBE on 4S WITH LST DIFFS (19T/54T)
    Vehicle Speed: 33.16 mph (53.27 km/h)

    RESULTS OF ERBE on 4S WITH LST DIFFS (20T/54T)
    Vehicle Speed: 34.91 mph (56.07 km/h)

    RESULTS OF ERBE on 4S WITH LST DIFFS (21T/54T)
    Vehicle Speed: 36.65 mph (58.87 km/h)


    So with 18t/54t or 21t/65t gear ratios (on erbe with lst diffs) i can reach similar speeds of the stock erbe as with. Which one would you suggest?
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    Quote Originally Posted by anr2442 View Post
    I run LST diffs as well on 4S.

    My gearing is 25/54 on 3.8 badlands and all is well with temps. I wish i had more top end though. Im a speed freak.

    The batteries do struggle as i am drawing so many amps. On my next battery purchase i plan to jump back to 6s and drop my gearing back down so the voltage gives me the speed instead of high gearing. Its such a balancing act with the truck. Lol
    WOW you got too much speed there man, i just calculated it and its about 70km/h, and you still want more???? Hahahaha

    Well i will also go with the 54t spur gear
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    so now who sells these pinion gears that fit the MMM which has 5mm shaft and 32pitch? I only found the 17t, 18t and 20t from traxxas that fit. Does traxxas make the 19t and 21t or are there any other manufacturers that make them?

    does this fit the 5mm MMM shaft???

    TRX 3949 Gear, 19-T pinion (32-p) (mach. steel)
    Last edited by uninterrc; 10-06-2012 at 09:51 AM.
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    just change the last two numbers for the tooth count
    http://www.stormerhobbies.com/cgi-bi...=ns&pn=RRP8721
    jmo put on the 54 spur & work from there with what pinion you might want
    Last edited by 87 GN; 10-06-2012 at 10:02 AM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 87 GN View Post
    just change the last two numbers for the tooth count
    http://www.stormerhobbies.com/cgi-bi...=ns&pn=RRP8721
    jmo put on the 54 spur & work from there with what pinion you might want
    I was hopping to find these pinions from a UK shop or from ebay which offer cheap shipping therfore it would be really helpfull if you know if this part fits the 5mm shaft of the MMM TRX 3949 Gear, 19-T pinion (32-p) (mach. steel)
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