brushed motor frustration!!!!

[tyrustler99]

i have had two ...yes two titan 550s that i had and when the first one burned up i understood because it was the stock motor. iwas pretty ticked,but i bought the same motor and a few weeks later,that one burned out! i began to think that buying a 4200 mah nimh battery and talon 2.8 tires worked the motor to hard. I AM NOT BUYING THAT MOTOR AGAiN so if there are any other motors that are a little or a lot better but around the same price, let me know.

[G-Rustler]

i started off the same way bro but if you think about it...the amount of money you pay for all the burned out titans you'll realize you coulda bought a VXL motor and be done with the frustration. just a suggestion

[OlorinTharkun]

The Electrifly S-600 is supposed to be a more reliable brushed motor that is very affordable. I decided to just go brushless.

If you're interested in upgrading to brushless it's a good option. If that's not in the budget, the Electrifly may be a good option.

[tyrustler99]

Yeah I'm getting a brushless system for my birthday in like two months so I'm just going to deal with the brushed for Only a few months more

[tyrustler99]

That electrify motor...it says it is mostly used for planes and some rc boats and cars. Does it work with the rustler?

[Dadx2mj]

Brushed motors require proper break in and REGULAR maintenance. If you break in and maintain a Titan motor they are actually pretty good for what they cost. If you dont maintain the motor properly even an expensive brushed motor will fail you in short order.

Brushless motors are much less needy in the maintenance department and typically perform much better.

[tyrustler99]

Well,how do you matinence them?

[OlorinTharkun]

The Electrifly will definitely work for a Rustler. I've never used it but I know several members have on Stampede, Rustler, maybe Slash too.

[tyrustler99]

For 15$??!!I'll take it!

[OlorinTharkun]

I switched to brushless before learning to break in or maintain brushed motors but I've read you can break it in by putting the truck on a stand where the wheels are not touching anything and run it at half throttle for a full battery pack.

Maintenance is usually blast it clean with electronics cleaner spray (not regular electric motor cleaner because that's bad for the plastic) and then lube the motor bushings.

[tyrustler99]

is paring oil ok to lube the brushings/ and do you need to solder the cables that connect to the esc onto the motor?

[NitroMethaneRunninThruMyVeins]

do the water break in!! my buddy does it to all of his brushed motors and they last forever compared to the ones he didnt break in.so much crap comes out into the water, crap that would have been run in your motor.

[WildCard]

Well,how do you matinence them?

iv never used a brushed set up but iv done a good bit of reading on them, from my under tsanding you should break the motor in. there are def ways of doing it but from my understanding one of the best wways is to remove the motor from the tranny but leave it all plugged up. get you a bowl or a cup of water. put in a charged battery pack and put the motor in to the water and run it a 1/4 throttle for about 5 min them 1/2 throttle for the rest of the bat pack. as i under stand it this allows the motor to run cooler,gets out all the dabree from the brushes wearing in ect all for a smoother and better fit of the brushes ect. iv been told doing that not only will make the motr last longer but you will have a little more over all power. as for cleaning iv heard you can again run it under water like with the break in or spray iot out with compressed air or break cleaner. a good break cleaner will clean it out good with out leaveing any film behind. then i think you use some type of oil to relube it. iv heard some guys clean the motor after every use others once every 10 or so runs ect. im not sure my self whats needed as far as how often you clean it.

If im wrong about that some one please feel free to correct me.

As others have said your best bet is to go brushless asap. even a entry LV brushless set up will be a upgrade from my understanding. though i like the velinion set up in the vxl. castle also makes some great systems from what every one says.just watch out as not all brushless set up come water proof.

[tyrustler99]

yeah thats exactly what you're supposed to i just did'nt know that it could help out with the motor's life

[wtrchuck]

yeah thats exactly what you're supposed to i just did'nt know that it could help out with the motor's life

Any and Every thing helps with extending a stock/brushed electric motor's life.
Ripping it up and down the street wideazz open doing speedruns, or running and jumping it in the muck out in the back lot while it's sucking up every speck of dirt and dust doesn't do anything to extending a motor's life.

As others have suggested, these motors are cheap (so you get what you pay for) and aren't designed to last forever - but beteen breaking them in, giving them a dab of oil on the bushings from time to time, along with a giving the a washing-out with motor spray from time to time will do a lot toward extending their life.

[harry697]

iv never used a brushed set up but iv done a good bit of reading on them, from my under tsanding you should break the motor in. there are def ways of doing it but from my understanding one of the best wways is to remove the motor from the tranny but leave it all plugged up. get you a bowl or a cup of water. put in a charged battery pack and put the motor in to the water and run it a 1/4 throttle for about 5 min them 1/2 throttle for the rest of the bat pack. as i under stand it this allows the motor to run cooler,gets out all the dabree from the brushes wearing in ect all for a smoother and better fit of the brushes ect. iv been told doing that not only will make the motr last longer but you will have a little more over all power. as for cleaning iv heard you can again run it under water like with the break in or spray iot out with compressed air or break cleaner. a good break cleaner will clean it out good with out leaveing any film behind. then i think you use some type of oil to relube it. iv heard some guys clean the motor after every use others once every 10 or so runs ect. im not sure my self whats needed as far as how often you clean it.

If im wrong about that some one please feel free to correct me.

As others have said your best bet is to go brushless asap. even a entry LV brushless set up will be a upgrade from my understanding. though i like the velinion set up in the vxl. castle also makes some great systems from what every one says.just watch out as not all brushless set up come water proof.

Very informative post. Only thing I would suggest doing differently is to use a 3-4 volt battery pack connected directly to the motor instead of using the esc. It's good to have less voltage for break-in. Even running the esc at 1/4 or 1/2 throttle will still give you full battery voltage.

[tyrustler99]

ive heard using a d- battery electrical taped to the wires on the motor can work to??

[bigdaddy42069]

i have a burshed rusty and im upgrading the titan motor is crap burn up two in two days and my first one i never cleaned or broke in worked for the first few months i had it but now i got the conversion kit now its a 2wd slash because they dont have a that class in my area

[wtrchuck]

ive heard using a d- battery electrical taped to the wires on the motor can work to??

Any sort of low voltage break-in will do, as long as it's enough to get the motor to turn over for 5-minutes or so. All you're doing is beading in the brushes to the commentator. Back in the day I had a special 2-cell nicad pack I used for just that purpose.

[harry697]

A single D-cell will work, but it's a bit low on voltage and will also drain quickly. Two of them is much better.

[FlyMyPretty]

What's the best (read: cheapest) way to upgrade to brushless? I'm thinking that I should have gone brushless in the first place ...

[ajcar]

trade in your old combo to traxxas for the velineon combo

[wtrchuck]

What's the best (read: cheapest) way to upgrade to brushless? I'm thinking that I should have gone brushless in the first place ...

Good, fast, cheap: pick any two.

~ You can have good and fast, but it won’t be cheap.
~ You can have good and cheap, but it won’t be fast.
~ You can have fast and cheap, but it won’t be good.

[WildCard]

trade in your old combo to traxxas for the velineon combo

very good option right there. the velinion is in my exp a good system. run a little hotter im my exp than id like but it water proof and fast. of course you can gear down and get a aluminium tranny case to bring down heat. another option might be to get one of those ezrun systems. from what i understand there a pretty good entry LV brushless system for around 100$.if your xl-5 rusty has the steal gear tranny then the only other thing you'll want to do is get bearings to replace the bushings that come with the xl-5. im assumeing you have the xl-5 rustler.

[cunawarit]

Firstly, try not to get angry about something as trivial as a burnt out RC motor. In 15 years I've never had a motor burn out, but then again I've not used many silver can motors like the Titan 550.

Brushed motors are very cheap, so don't worry about it much. I would avoid the Traxxas branded replacements simply because I think there a fair bit of markup on those. You can get rebuildable 540 sized motors for the same kind of money.

I can't and won't recommend a specific motor, but I can tell you that there are good brushed motors out there, I've had the same Team Corally Street Touring motor in my Bandit for 14 or so years and it is still A-OK.

Lastly, you mentioned you changed tyres, if they are a different size this will affect your gearing. Larger tyres will make the truck go faster, but also make the motor work harder. If you find that the motor is getting insanely hot change the gearing. My inclination is to think this is the problem.

[bash'n crash]

reedy radon.

[tyrustler99]

where do i lube the brushings and do i use bearing oil or something??

[O.G.]

Yeah I'm getting a brushless system for my birthday in like two months so I'm just going to deal with the brushed for Only a few months more

Two months wait time til a BL setup is FOREVER!! good luck with the wait. lol

But I would buy another titan and maintain it, and baby it for 2 months til the BL setup arrives.

After cleaning your brushed motor, oil at the ends where the shaft is.

[cunawarit]

As I said before make sure your gearing is good and the motor is not getting too hot.

Secondly, watch this for motor maintenance: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=26Ne-P4bIJ8

It couldn't be simpler, but... You cannot do it to a Traxxas Titan 500, these are throw away motors.

Buy a rebuildable motor which you can service easily.

[clmarek1]

Good, fast, cheap: pick any two.

~ You can have good and fast, but it won’t be cheap.
~ You can have good and cheap, but it won’t be fast.
~ You can have fast and cheap, but it won’t be good.

Ahh...the 'ole triple constraint theory. That's too funny. You must be a fan of the Euler Diagram.

Anyways...forget the brushed motors. GO BRUSHLESS!!! You won't be disappointed, but if you get another brushed motor my crystal ball says you will be.

[tyrustler99]

Two months wait time til a BL setup is FOREVER!! good luck with the wait. lol

But I would buy another titan and maintain it, and baby it for 2 months til the BL setup arrives.

After cleaning your brushed motor, oil at the ends where the shaft is.

ha ha! Yeah aint that da truth...I just bought a new one and broke it in the proper way...set the gearing and it was running like a dream.

[tyrustler99]

I shure hope that my new motor will last two months...I was thinking about getting the hobby wing 1/10 BL system combo. Here it is..http://www.hobbywing.com/product_show.asp?id=252 Is it a good system? If not can you refer me to another? Thnx

[FlyMyPretty]

Good, fast, cheap: pick any two.

~ You can have good and fast, but it won’t be cheap.
~ You can have good and cheap, but it won’t be fast.
~ You can have fast and cheap, but it won’t be good.

Ain't that just the way. Thanks!