XO-1 throttle lag question.

[ponie1992]

Does anyone know if the throttle lag would go away if a different ESC is used? I wouldn't mind having all the telemetry, but can't stand that the car doesn't take off until around half throttle.

[PeterV]

I would call 888-Traxxas to see if they're aware of this and have a fix, first. I bet they'll have you call Castle, but it's always good to be able to say "I already called Traxxas" when you call them.

[Dadx2mj]

I have seen a few members comment on the lag and really wonder if it will be able to be tuned out or improved upon once Castle releases the update so you can use Castle Link with the new ESC.

[racksteris]

Does anyone know if the throttle lag would go away if a different ESC is used? I wouldn't mind having all the telemetry, but can't stand that the car doesn't take off until around half throttle.

Yes

The car is much faster on take off with a different ESC

I have been saying this


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[racksteris]

This car was set up for nubs not experts, that lag was added so too much stress is not put on the esc and motor


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[Dadx2mj]

This car was set up for nubs not experts, that lag was added so too much stress is not put on the esc and motor


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Come on man how can you call a 100 mph capable car set up for noobs? We all realize you have spent a lot of money and had a lot of issues but this kind of speculation and negative comments toward Traxxas and the XO-1 really needs to stop. There is nothing constructive or helpful about that kind of a comment nor is is based on any fact. That is simply an assumption you are choosing to make.

[racksteris]

So we can't be honest on here man.

I might have to sell/give my cars away if I can't be honest about them on there, trying to get help or help others.





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[Dadx2mj]

racksteris we have gone around and around on this in many threads and in PM's. It is simple but if you wont listen to what is being said it is not going to work. You have been allowed to offer your thoughts but when you say Traxxas intentionally set the car up for noobs so it would not stress the car that is PURE SPECULATION on your part and when you make these kinds of statements over and over again in numerous threads it starts to become Traxxas bashing and trolling.

[ponie1992]

Back on topic... so as of right now there is no way around the lag except change out the esc? That stinks because for me it makes the car harder to drive.

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[Dadx2mj]

Back on topic... so as of right now there is no way around the lag except change out the esc? That stinks because for me it makes the car harder to drive.

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To my knowledge no there isn't. I think I would hang on until the update for Castle Link is released I doubt it will be much longer and think it would be worth the wait before I laid down the coin for a new ESC. I can imagine how you would feel if you bought a new ESC and the next day the update came out and it fixed your stock ESC.

[iaanr]

Just wanted to chime in that I agree there seems to a quite a bit of lag on the stock setup. Kinda like turbo lag. I was hoping it was something that could be tuned out with castle link once available.

[DustinBajaSS]

Lag like u pull the trigger and there is a delayed reaction? Might b the stock radio gear.

[ponie1992]

To clarify, the lag I'm talking about is the car will start to move when you start to pull the trigger but won't really accelerate until you hit half throttle. Its weird and hard to explain.

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[Kitchen]

its most likely the radio settings. i purchased a spektrum a few months ago and i had it on a Gtp2 and its was the same way
the car would not come out the hole to fast off the line and it was my throttle settings. I have the XO-1 but when i pull my
trigger all the way down it does no hesitate to get going, all my tires spin like crazy. I have not had that problem but the radio
does have a ton of settings so you should check in to that.

[ponie1992]

its most likely the radio settings. i purchased a spektrum a few months ago and i had it on a Gtp2 and its was the same way
the car would not come out the hole to fast off the line and it was my throttle settings. I have the XO-1 but when i pull my
trigger all the way down it does no hesitate to get going, all my tires spin like crazy. I have not had that problem but the radio
does have a ton of settings so you should check in to that.

I'm not talking about full throttle. I'm talking about start to half throttle is where the lag is.

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[Dadx2mj]

I'm not talking about full throttle. I'm talking about start to half throttle is where the lag is.

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I think this is still worth looking into. To my understanding there are more setting than just throttle end point that might be effecting this. If Kitchen is not having the lag and has changed some setting it is worth looking at while you wait for the Castle Link update or decide to change ESC.

[slagburn]

The XO-1 and my ERBE on 6S drive very, very differently. The ERBE just barks with power, wheelies on slick surfaces, spins and flips instantly. The unlocked XO-1 just sort of toodles around until it's at full power. I realize with the much lower CG it's not likely to wheelie, and maybe it will when spring temps come around and traction increases.

The XO-1 is definitely setup to NOT give that explosive power feeling- until it whizzes past at full speed.

[ducati777]

The XO-1 is definitely setup to NOT give that explosive power feeling- until it whizzes past at full speed.

Right, it feels like there is a lot of throttle expo, and a lot of Castle's punch control at work. It does allow for easier acceleration, but for those of us used to a nice crisp throttle, it can feel strange.

If Castle would hurry up and support the speed controller on their usual link software, we could tune it just how we'd like.

I'm frustrated too, but I know there's hope, and this is all part of being an early adopter.

[ponie1992]

I think this is still worth looking into. To my understanding there are more setting than just throttle end point that might be effecting this. If Kitchen is not having the lag and has changed some setting it is worth looking at while you wait for the Castle Link update or decide to change ESC.

I agree and I posted hoping there was a way to get that lag out. Mine seems a bit extreme. Also I'm used to my speed rustler and its instant power.

Just re-read kitchens post and looks like he is referring to full throttle.

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[Kitchen]

I agree and I posted hoping there was a way to get that lag out. Mine seems a bit extreme. Also I'm used to my speed rustler and its instant power.

Just re-read kitchens post and looks like he is referring to full throttle.

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I have Zero Lag

[ponie1992]

I have Zero Lag

Can you explain how you got around it?

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[Ufoman52]

Maybe we should try adjusting the throttle sensitivity in the traxxas application ?? Just an idea because to cold outside to really test the car ;-)

[zonda95]

with my MME and TQi in my erbe i didnt notice any lag difference between it and my old MMM.although i ddi lose a diff and it was a bit wet out. but i just pretty much run it at 3/4 throttle

[ducati777]

I have Zero Lag

Can you explain how you got around it?

I think this is just a case of terminology. There really isn't any lag in the sense of delay between input and reaction from the car, its just the punch control can make it feel that way.

Techincally I don't think any of us have lag... but since we are all forced to run the same settings, we've all got the same amount of punch control and built in expo on top of the "sensitivity" settings on the transmiter.... which can help, have you tried adjusting that?

[MiamizFinest]

The stock ESC has tons of lag, either get a regular MMM and just solder on the cap bank, or get an XL2 esc and forget the cap bank all together PEACE!

[phildogg]

I noticed it too on a friends no bottom end on take-off unless you stab the throttle hard. I'm used to ramping up the throttle but hard to do with the lag.

[ponie1992]

Ok, took the car out for a few minutes tonight and saw that my throttle sensitivity (TS) was at 100%. I figured I would try decreasing that so I turned it down to 0%. Well, the car feels much better all around. Still a little slower at the start than what I'm used to, but way better than what it was. I guess I need to check everything within the app to see what can be changed to help the car out. I haven't had much time at all to mess with the car, so hopefully tonight or next couple of days I'll really get into it.

I need to figure out how to save my settings also, because everytime I power everything down and then back up later to run, I lose all my settings (i.e. gearing). I'm assuming you have to save everything before shutting it all down?

[Silversrt4]

With a xl2 speed control the car is insane im not real sure why traxxas did not use the xl2. Because with 2 4smlopos this thing is a jet.

[ducati777]

With a xl2 speed control the car is insane im not real sure why traxxas did not use the xl2. Because with 2 4smlopos this thing is a jet.

Uhhh but you're failing to realize this is just settings in the ESC, not a shortfall of the ESC itself. Once we're able to access the ESC settings, this should be just as snappy as a XL, or any other Castle ESC.

Stock electronics do not suck, releasing the car before Castle Link is supported is frustrating.

[racksteris]

Uhhh but you're failing to realize this is just settings in the ESC, not a shortfall of the ESC itself. Once we're able to access the ESC settings, this should be just as snappy as a XL, or any other Castle ESC.

Stock electronics do not suck, releasing the car before Castle Link is supported is frustrating.

Yes it's fast with 6S

But with 8S it's a beast


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[Silversrt4]

what you poeple dont understand is this speed control is locked to traxxas.even when new software comes out it will not work with this speed control.castle signed all there libalities over to traxxas.call castle and ask ma question to greg or burnie about it they will tell you to call traxxas.castle made the speed control to traxxas wants and needs

[Dadx2mj]

what you poeple dont understand is this speed control is locked to traxxas.even when new software comes out it will not work with this speed control.castle signed all there libalities over to traxxas.call castle and ask ma question to greg or burnie about it they will tell you to call traxxas.castle made the speed control to traxxas wants and needs

Yes Castle built the speed control to Traxxas specs, Traxxas as confirmed this. They (Traxxas) has also said when Castle releases the update so Castle link will recognize the new ESC you will be able to use Castle Link to change the setting just like other Castle ESC's and be able to run after market radios.

[ducati777]

Yes it's fast with 6S

But with 8S it's a beast

No doubt! However the XO-1 has plenty of speed for me... although I sure would like to get into the ESC.

what you poeple dont understand is this speed control is locked to traxxas.even when new software comes out it will not work with this speed control.castle signed all there libalities over to traxxas.call castle and ask ma question to greg or burnie about it they will tell you to call traxxas.castle made the speed control to traxxas wants and needs

Way ahead of you man, I have talked to Castle, guess what they said?

Ducati777,

The XO-1 controller software will be released on the upcoming update to Castle Link. The 3.41.1 version was released before the XO-1 was even in development, that is why it is not recognized by the current software. Look for the update to be released very soon.

If you have any further questions, please e-mail or call the Tech Support line below.

Greg Wright
Product Specialist
Castle Creations
540 N Rogers Rd
Olathe, KS 66062
913-390-6939 ext 138
greg@castlecreations.com

Its just a matter of waiting on an update.

[zonda95]

ok Miami thats weird that you had alot of lag and i dont have any. and its the same esc...

[MiamizFinest]

ok Miami thats weird that you had alot of lag and i dont have any. and its the same esc...

I really don't believe the hype about the ESC update, i think the lag lyes in the RX TX combo either way i eliminated both. Im not sure if your familiar with higher end radios first hand but if you did you'd notice it.

Considering ive built cars for first hand faster than the XO-1, both quicker and faster top end. I can tell you there is something up. To the non-race guy and the weekend basher it's nothing to worry about and that person could enjoy the car for years to come as is with out problems. Me on the other hand noticed the lag simply because im used to quicker response. So it was out the door!!!!

I know there is a user here that tryed using the 4PKS radio with no luck on the stock ESC but has anyone reported anywhere the same results maybe using another brand radio!??! The Futaba radios are negative shift, while the JR and Spektrum radios are positive shift. This was a issue back in the day with inter-changing RX's between brands while everything was still FM or AM. I dout on 2.4 this is THE ISSUE HERE but im just wondering if anyone has tryd another name brand radio

[ponie1992]

I messed around with the Traxxas Link app for a little while tonight and it just isn't as user friendly for me as I'd like. So, in one swoop I solved any and all app whoas and ESC lag.

[racksteris]

Looks good but you should add the cap pack to that esc. I did it to my mm esc


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[BL-Bob]

Whatever Guys, My XO MME castle-links up and works great with all radios.

Look here is the way to do it.
http://traxxas.com/forums/showthread...0-Different-tx

After unlocking it with the traxxas link app I just linked up with my castle link and turned off the live link option. Then I was able to dial out the default curves set my drag brake and use my own radio.

[iaanr]

I think it is wise to wait for the castle link update instead of rushing out and paying for replacement electronics, some of which in my opinion will end up inferior to the MMM extreme for 6s applications once things are updated.

Based on other castle products, it is clear that there are settings in the esc (ie punch control) that just need to be tweaked forpersonal preference. I plan on just waitng a little longer for access. I see no reason why castle/traxxas would not let the user to tweak these parameters. And we have a statement from castle quoted by another user here stating that software for the XO-1 is on the way.

Now if you want to run 8s, thats a different story... A lot of us need to still need to master 100.

[ducati777]

BL Bob is cracking me up.....