mamba monster 2200kv with 4s lipos

**lukebro47** · 10-10-2010 03:52 PM

hi there i am going to be getting a mamba monster 2200kv for my summit also some 2x 9000mah 2s lipo from maxamps just wondering what its top speed will be with stock gearing and also what run time i will get
thanks

**quadiak** · 10-10-2010 05:58 PM

this is an awesome tool for figuring gearing vs. top speed. http://scriptasylum.com/rc_speed/_top_speed.html

Just use the E-Revo defaults.

As far as run time, it really depends on how you use it any where from 1 hr to 3 hrs I would assume.

**cubsfan2010** · 10-10-2010 06:51 PM

One thing I would change is the Maxamps lipos. $300 for a set of lipos.

Go for a set of these:http://www.spcracing.com/index.php?productID=61 Every bit as good as the MA's and at less then half the price. With 160 amp continuous rating they are plenty powerful for a MMM.

You could also take $30 of the money you just saved and go the Tekin route instead of MMM and have a much smoother, sensor based, truck which will crawl great and be just as powerful. 2250kv or 2000kv motor if you are just planning 4s power. If thinking you might go 5s or high later then go for the 2000kv or lower motor. Not saying the MMM isn't great, but this is a Summit which is more of a technical offroader vs the ERBE which is a higher speed more racing oriented truck.

**Git'RDoneRacing** · 10-10-2010 07:51 PM

watch the axle snapping gremlins their in season.

**noir522** · 10-10-2010 09:39 PM

MMM in the summit (with stock gearing) speed thread

http://monster.traxxas.com/showthread.php?t=505190

**diby_2000** · 10-10-2010 10:27 PM

Another option for lipos Here or Here
Still 9000mAh, just a bit cheaper.

**lukebro47** · 10-11-2010 02:06 AM

thanks for your help guys i went and bought a mamba monster 2200kv just before i also bought the 9000mah 2s maxamps because they are waterproof but also thinking about buying some 3s 6000mah maxamps

**apowers** · 10-11-2010 03:09 AM

Originally Posted by lukebro47

thanks for your help guys i went and bought a mamba monster 2200kv just before i also bought the 9000mah 2s maxamps because they are waterproof but also thinking about buying some 3s 6000mah maxamps

Are you going to waterproof your Motor and ESC ?

**ArmyofDarkness** · 10-11-2010 11:03 AM

Waterproof lipos = little bit of silicon sealant costing $5, not worth buying waterproof lipos because they are A) false economy and B) as pointed out, the esc and motor arent waterproof; you cant waterproof the esc without voiding your warrenty pretty much

Also, you missed the point of the summit- its a trail truck/ quasi-crawler, not a speed machine; should have bought a BL erevo. As it is, I'd suggest having a read through existing 'summit + BL' threads and doing some research, then take a look at how you're going to be driving the truck; needs lowering and swap the wheels/ tires for something more durable/ suitable for higher speeds....

**cubsfan2010** · 10-11-2010 02:04 PM

Originally Posted by lukebro47

thanks for your help guys i went and bought a mamba monster 2200kv just before i also bought the 9000mah 2s maxamps because they are waterproof but also thinking about buying some 3s 6000mah maxamps

Sorry for the MA purchase. If you have any more money you want to throw away I'll take some.

In the future you can buy just as good or better lipos for way less than MA charges and as ArmyofDarkness said waterproof lipos are a gimmick. A tube of silicon or an adult, non-lubed, fun balloon works great.

**quadiak** · 10-11-2010 05:33 PM

geez you guys are hard on Max Amps at least their packs are made in the USA and assembled fresh.

I recently purchased 2 SMC Sport packs, 2s 9000 Mah it says right on them made in China so I would assume they are assembled months before you get them. One pack is at least an 1/8" thicker than the other(weird right), it just barely fits in the Summit battery compartment. Then one failed within a month. SMC would not warranty it because they claim individual LiPo packs should not be run in series because no 2 packs are exactly the same, and one pack could be seriously discharged before the other so you can't trust the LVC and that is why I had a failure.

On the Bright side SMC did offer to sell me replacement packs at their cost which is much much cheaper than retail.

This does however make me wonder, are the SMC packs any better or even any different than ******* or ***** packs???

**cubsfan2010** · 10-11-2010 06:52 PM

We are hard on them because they sell mediocre packs at outrageous prices in some fancy packaging. They use a bunch of fancy, and sometimes shady, marketing to sucker people into buying their average product. MANY people have had problems with MA packs and found their C ratings to be a overstated. Their warranty isn't even that great if you read the fine print.

The cells in their packs are from China and are probably the same cells used in packs that cost 1/3 the price.

If you want the best then go Thunderpower or Hyperion and still cost less than MA. SMC and SPC are a close second. After that is all the Chinese lipos and MA.

If you want to buy from them then go right ahead, but their shady business practices make many people not like them.

**lukebro47** · 10-11-2010 06:54 PM

yes i will be water proofing the esc and as for you cubsfan and amry of darkness considering im not paying for this stuff and my aunty got it for me who is rich i couldnt really care less plus i would rather the propper thing as the balloon thing and the slicone would make the battery hot wouldnt it? i dont no bout you but i really dont want my lipos getting to hot.i dont think i have missed the point of a summit as the summit is a crawler/mud basher/trail basher i dont think it is unessecery for it to go fast?i am kinda getting sic of people who cant afford a good brushless or a good set off lipos and just putting the people who can down
i will also be getting the full kershaw designs uprades ,aluminium control arms steering arms ect not sure what wheels to get

**lukebro47** · 10-11-2010 06:57 PM

also cubsfan2010 most other batterys brands do not have or make a 9000mah 2s lipo there for maxamps is of coarse gonna be more expensive as there batterys are bigger?

**quadiak** · 10-11-2010 07:13 PM

Originally Posted by cubsfan2010

We are hard on them because they sell mediocre packs at outrageous prices in some fancy packaging. They use a bunch of fancy, and sometimes shady, marketing to sucker people into buying their average product. MANY people have had problems with MA packs and found their C ratings to be a overstated. Their warranty isn't even that great if you read the fine print.

The cells in their packs are from China and are probably the same cells used in packs that cost 1/3 the price.

If you want the best then go Thunderpower or Hyperion and still cost less than MA. SMC and SPC are a close second. After that is all the Chinese lipos and MA.

If you want to buy from them then go right ahead, but their shady business practices make many people not like them.

I really don't mean to thread jack here or start a contest, but Thunder Power LiPos are no cheaper than Max Amps, in fact what I have priced out here in Canada the TP packs are more expensive, Hyperion are probably the best, agreed. So how do you think a company afford to market like Max Amps does if they are selling over priced junk? not to mention the awards they have received and the fact that magazines like "RC Car Action" always show Max Amps in pictures of everything they test. Maybe it is a conspiracy? or did Max Amps pay off the magazines? probably but once again it takes money to pay off someone.

On a side note, if you call Max Amps directly instead of ordering online, they will usually give a much better price.

**ArmyofDarkness** · 10-12-2010 05:33 PM

Originally Posted by quadiak

geez you guys are hard on Max Amps at least their packs are made in the USA and assembled fresh.

You mean atleast they are bought in bulk in giant boxes marked ' made in china ' and assembled in Austin's garage by a gang of 3/4 hippy-looking fellows? You'd think given the professional website and extortionate prices that he had his own industrial unit or workshop, but he works out of his own garage to save money, yet charges more than REAL premium brands like PQ, TP, Hyperion, Elite etc etc. Gotta pay for the sponsorship & advertising deals somehow I guess...

The awards they win are just totally laughable- think about it for a second; maxamps advertise in loads of magazine and on loads of websites, pulling in lots of inexperienced kids with more money than sense. They then put their 9 million 'surge watts' rated lipos into a 2wd stadium buggy and think its amazing. Ofcourse they're gonna win the prizes for best lipo company, no one else bothers to advertise much as they rely on word of mouth mainly; what do you hear about maxamps most of the time? Extortionate prices, no evidence or independent graphs/ testing to back up their claims of C rates, poor quality packs that are prone to puffing when used in a demanding application that put a decent load on them- seen that first hand, repeatedly. Go to a flyer or boat forum and see how many people use maxamps lipos.. The arrogance of Austin and Jason is infamous- anyone who questions maxamps is banned and has their posts/ thread deleted, they apply pressure on mods of different forums to keep the 'haters' quiet ( aint that right?... ), and flat out refuse to address peoples questions or requests to backup their spurious rating system; there is a reason why the C rating system is popular, no other company uses surge watts- just maxamps to make their lipos look appealing to people who dont know the difference between series and parallel...

So yeah, haters gonna hate...

**lukebro47** · 10-12-2010 06:31 PM

i just got my maxamps straight away not balancing there a 2s 7.4 with a 4s balancing plug?

**ArmyofDarkness** · 10-12-2010 06:38 PM

You mean they wont balance/ charge when connected to your charger? What charger do you have?

Link to the actual packs on the MA website?

I'd find it suprizing if they used a 4s tap for a 2s lipo, but it wouldnt hurt at all so long as the 3 wires are in the right order & spots on the little white balance plug- unused spots wont make any difference as the charger will still see a 2s pack regardless ( all the balancer sockets for 2/3/4/5/6s packs are wired in parallel on the balancer board ).

**lukebro47** · 10-12-2010 10:35 PM

i have a venom pro charger
a d here is the link to the lipos
http://www.maxamps.com/Lipo-9000XL-74-Pack.htm

**lukebro47** · 10-12-2010 10:36 PM

at the start they wouldnt charge at all now there charging just not balance charging

**ArmyofDarkness** · 10-13-2010 10:13 AM

Seeing as your other thread got locked, I'll make this brief:

MA sucks,dont give you money to those criminals.

Anyway, do you have the charger in balance mode or balance-charge mode, and do you have the little white balance connector plugged into th charger/ board that comes from the charger?

What are the cell voltages reading after a charge? The charger should tell you if the balancer is hooked up, just cycle the menu screen to display the individual cell voltages- you will need to read the manual to learn what charging functions your charger has & how to display the different items on the screen.

Check those things out, then get back to us.

**SubieFan** · 10-13-2010 02:53 PM

Originally Posted by ArmyofDarkness

Also, you missed the point of the summit- its a trail truck/ quasi-crawler, not a speed machine; should have bought a BL erevo. As it is, I'd suggest having a read through existing 'summit + BL' threads and doing some research, then take a look at how you're going to be driving the truck; needs lowering and swap the wheels/ tires for something more durable/ suitable for higher speeds....

Wow, that statement is getting really old. About everyost one here when someone says they are upgrading to MMM, someone chimes in and says (see quote). It's their truck, their decision. I am glad you enjoy the Summit as is. Respect other peoples opinions on wanting a truck that has insane power, is fasssst, but can also crawl. Ok, enough with the soapbox...

**lukebro47** · 10-13-2010 03:24 PM

i found the problem i got sent hyperion taps when i shoulda got Align taps thanks for your help guys

**ArmyofDarkness** · 10-13-2010 05:01 PM

Originally Posted by SubieFan

Wow, that statement is getting really old. About everyost one here when someone says they are upgrading to MMM, someone chimes in and says (see quote). It's their truck, their decision. I am glad you enjoy the Summit as is. Respect other peoples opinions on wanting a truck that has insane power, is fasssst, but can also crawl. Ok, enough with the soapbox...

I know it's entirely personal preference as to what people do with their trucks, but its when 90% of people say 'my summit is too slow, I wanna install BL to make it faster' that I feel the urge to facepalm; it's ment to be slow ( relatively speaking )...

**noir522** · 10-14-2010 04:11 AM

I agree but also disagree (the ultimate fence sitter), there are many other benefits to going brushless than speed. Auto lipo cut off, much longer run times (greater effeciency), and who doesn't want more torque? As far as speed vs crawl ability, play imitates life. I own a jeep wrangler and a Discovery, both excellent off road vehicles and both can reach speeds in excess of 70mph. If it were financially viable I believe Traxxas would have made the summit at least as fast as a brushed revo, but with the 775 I think a choice of torque vs speed had to be made, along with the sacrifices of a soft crawling tire. And remember the summit is a $550 truck, rtr with a brushless system would easily top $750. And who is willing to pay that much for a "niche" vehicle that can't truly compete in any sanctioned competitions?

**noir522** · 10-14-2010 04:25 AM

ok truth in point I would pay $750 for a waterproof brushless summit but most would not

**apowers** · 10-14-2010 05:24 AM

Originally Posted by noir522

ok truth in point I would pay $750 for a waterproof brushless summit but most would not

A waterproof brushless summit would probably be priced at more than $750.
If not, everyone will jump on it...and on Maxxamps.

I mean those toys are priced for adult.
IMO, if someone is ready to spend $550 in a RC truck, there is no doubt he will spend the $200 more (or wait til he can), to have a car with such improvements.

**diby_2000** · 10-14-2010 06:09 AM

Originally Posted by ArmyofDarkness

I know it's entirely personal preference as to what people do with their trucks, but its when 90% of people say 'my summit is too slow, I wanna install BL to make it faster' that I feel the urge to facepalm; it's ment to be slow ( relatively speaking )...

What if someone likes a bit of speed but also wants to crawl? I have not seen another vehicle yet that can do 40mph then with the flick of a (remote) switch, be able to crawl like a summit can. It will never do 90mph and be able to crawl any good. But it will never crawl like a dedicated crawler can, no matter how slow it is. For some its about trying to find a happy medium with one 'take me anywhere, have a go at anything' truck.

**lordtec** · 10-14-2010 04:02 PM

i just switched my summit over to a mmm 2200kv setup... it still crawls great.. no glitching and 2nd gear u just about have to have teh diffs locks cuz when u turn one wheel comes off the ground and it wont steer well... course on a 4s lipo it spends most of its time on its lid as teh suspension isnt made for high speed... im geared low and love it

**ArmyofDarkness** · 10-15-2010 03:30 PM

Originally Posted by diby_2000

What if someone likes a bit of speed but also wants to crawl? I have not seen another vehicle yet that can do 40mph then with the flick of a (remote) switch, be able to crawl like a summit can. It will never do 90mph and be able to crawl any good. But it will never crawl like a dedicated crawler can, no matter how slow it is. For some its about trying to find a happy medium with one 'take me anywhere, have a go at anything' truck.

Ever heard the expression 'jack of all trades, master of none'?...

**lukebro47** · 10-15-2010 08:01 PM

i just installed my mamba into my summit just before with 4s lipo and i must say its awesome it crawls great does eevrything the same as the original motor just a heap load faster i would have to say to all the people who say that putting a mamba monster in a summit is stupid YOUR WRONG!!! its the most awesome thing ever you have pretty much an e-revo and a crawler in 1

**diby_2000** · 10-15-2010 08:26 PM

Originally Posted by ArmyofDarkness

Ever heard the expression 'jack of all trades, master of none'?...

Yes, of coarse.

Do you not think that is the best description of the Summit?

Or of what the summit can ever be?

In my eyes it is the jack of all trades, and will never be the master of any!
Hense my previous post.

But that does not mean that it can't be better at everything it already does so well.

**noir522** · 10-16-2010 12:41 AM

the MMM conversion is great. . . . . . .
untill you taste the smoothness of the sensored Tekin RX8 with the huge T8 motor

**george007** · 10-16-2010 01:03 AM

Max amps really let me down....

in a few months time when your packs puff and they are on the way out...You will realise the error of your ways....

******* Baby!!!! cheap as chips...

Personally If i had more money i would get some intellect lipos from Rc Mushroom...

But try and spread the word on max amps...

I hate those *******s..

**ArmyofDarkness** · 10-16-2010 03:49 PM

@ lukebro47, its you're , not your. /grammar enforcement officer.

Anyway, I would suggest looking into the Elite lipos at CheapBatteryPacks- they are hand assembled just like MA packs, but the prices and ratings arent ridiculously over-inflated; 150C lipos- anyone notice those for sale at MA recently? Two words; bull plop

**lukebro47** · 10-17-2010 12:55 AM

max amps has been really good to me actually they sent me the wrong balance taps witch was my fault and they sent me free adaptors i thought that was very nice of them i have nothing against maxamps they helped me through everything

**Jakey** · 10-17-2010 07:47 AM

Originally Posted by ArmyofDarkness

... 150C lipos- anyone notice those for sale at MA recently?

I can put together some 300C LiPo's. All I need are some labels, a lack of conscience and gullible customers.

**NOFX** · 10-17-2010 09:21 AM

Hi,regarding the "supposed to be slow" bit.My mmm summit flows over lumps and jumps far better than my 3.3 maxx.It doesn't cog when I'm crawling (more like " I wonder if It'll get up/down there") Still gotta reset it so I've got reverse though.Which castle programme is best? Thanks for any info.

**quadiak** · 10-17-2010 11:20 AM

Originally Posted by NOFX

Still gotta reset it so I've got reverse though.Which castle programme is best? Thanks for any info.

Why don't you do the manual programming sequence? instructions are in the drivers ed manual. the castle link programmer is the cheapest(free with coupon) and I believe it to be the only programmer with full options.

**ArmyofDarkness** · 10-17-2010 03:57 PM

Originally Posted by NOFX

Hi,regarding the "supposed to be slow" bit.My mmm summit flows over lumps and jumps far better than my 3.3 maxx.It doesn't cog when I'm crawling (more like " I wonder if It'll get up/down there") Still gotta reset it so I've got reverse though.Which castle programme is best? Thanks for any info.

Firmware version is best you mean? People have different luck with the same version, so I would say start at 1.21 and work upwards- skip 1.28 as its the one that borks your esc- safe to say if you cant figure out how to enable reverse when you've been told several times what to do, trying to force through a firmware update will leave you a bit baffled, to say the least. Reset your radio trims, check the throttle channel isnt reversed ( or is.. ), check the epas are at 100%, then recalibrate the esc to the radio, then go through the castlelink settings to tweak throttle and brakes & lvc etc etc..

max amps has been really good to me actually they sent me the wrong balance taps witch was my fault and they sent me free adaptors i thought that was very nice of them i have nothing against maxamps they helped me through everything

Nice? They messed up your order by installing the wrong balance taps, and you think it's nice that they sent you adapters? Given the price you paid and the ( not actually a proper- check the small print ) 3 warranty, I'd bloomin' well expect them to come through with some good customer service...

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