THIS PROVES sc10's arent the best :D

[thecoolman101]

hey guys. found this video online. slash is fisrt most of the way, but others play dirty and spin it out

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Y24W...eature=related

[Out of Sight]

Who ever said sc10 (or Blitz) is the best???LOL
On the 'other' forum boards, people are dissing the Slash for its high CoG, woeful handling and craps like that..

Few reasons for that:
-Slash are targeted among noobs..noobs just love them. And most noobs don't even know much about RC dynamics, suspension tunings or even properly take a fastest racing line through the apex.
-SC10 & Blitz, Ultima and other low CoG SC trucks attract racers, and most racers know much about suspension tunings and Rc dynamics, hence their choice for low CoG trucks.

When these two groups meet at the track, things get ugly. And they (noobs) blame the Slash.

You see with optimal suspension tuning, tires and understanding of RC dynamics, (and driving skills) a stock chassised Slash CAN hang with all low CoG 2wd Sc trucks out there. I know so...me and few guys running our open class 2wd Slashes at the local track eat Blitz every weekend and it's not a stock Blitz either. The high CoG of the Slash, actually helps weight transfers on loose surfaces and aids traction. Just for the record the fastest lap on my track for an open class 2wd SC truck is 27.5 sec held by my Slash,
the 2nd is 28.7sec by a Blitz..

I'm not saying this because I'm IN a traxxas forum. I'm not on their payrolls like some 'Traxxas employee' we see around here. Personally I would love to buy a low CoG Sc trucks, but since I had already bought a Slash a long time ago before a Blitz or Sc10 were readily available on the market, I might as well make the most of what I have.

[thecoolman101]

lol yeah im just adding to this here, i had a buddy of mine with a modded out slash with a low cog slash, wit ha 13.5 novak in it with a hotter battery than me.

i had a titan and i kept up with him XD

[crazee horse]

it aint just the car, its the driver as well.
and lets be honest if you bought a slash your smarter than the rest........................................! lol

[Federally]

the slash is the best because I can go from jumping it off of a ten foot tall gravel pile that would crush any blitz or sc10 to keeping up with those same trucks on the track with just a couple tuning adjustments. As long as I don't screw up the driving aspect I can keep up with all of the other 2wd sc's in the open class. The main difference is the other trucks come box stock as better racers and the slash comes box stock as a durable basher you can drive off the roof of your house.

[rlopez]

IMO, the slash takes way more skill to drive. I see it like this, not every one has the ability to balance a spinning plate on a stick. Some people get upset and decide to spin the plate on their fingers. Those with true skill can win with a box stock slash. Those who are frustrated, or bad, drivers think that a truck with a lower cg will fix their inability to hold a straight line. We have to remember that the truck by its self just sits. It up to us to make to move.

[FSTR4X4]

IMO, the slash takes way more skill to drive. I see it like this, not every one has the ability to balance a spinning plate on a stick. Some people get upset and decide to spin the plate on their fingers. Those with true skill can win with a box stock slash. Those who are frustrated, or bad, drivers think that a truck with a lower cg will fix their inability to hold a straight line. We have to remember that the truck by its self just sits. It up to us to make to move.

thats very true. one of the guys i race with wasnt good at all and he always blamed it on the slash. he bought a blitz and he still isnt good but at least he isnt rolling. now all he does is smash walls. he has no throttle control. its either on or off. you dont want to be in his race, he will hit you if your in front of him.

IMO a blitz or sc10 is just covering for a lack in skill. its like a bandaid, it doesnt fix the problem it just makes it better. that is if you went to one from a slash because you didnt like it.

i like that you can break sc10 a arms with your fingers.

[stampedeman109]

Well in my opinion all that the video proves is its not the truck but the driver that wins the race, but having a capable truck does help.

And for the record the blitzes are far tougher then slashes at my local track. I've seen them take hard hits and drive away where as a slash would just be a pile of parts.

But all in all it comes down to a combination between the driver and what type of track your running on to dictate whick truck is best for you. A slash my be better for a rough track but an sc10 or a blitz would eat it up on a carpet track.

[slash007]

There's a guy around here that can win, or come in close 2nd in the 2wd mod class with a BOX STOCK slash!

[DrFizz2k1]

IMO, the slash takes way more skill to drive. I see it like this, not every one has the ability to balance a spinning plate on a stick. Some people get upset and decide to spin the plate on their fingers. Those with true skill can win with a box stock slash. Those who are frustrated, or bad, drivers think that a truck with a lower cg will fix their inability to hold a straight line. We have to remember that the truck by its self just sits. It up to us to make to move.

thats very true. one of the guys i race with wasnt good at all and he always blamed it on the slash. he bought a blitz and he still isnt good but at least he isnt rolling. now all he does is smash walls. he has no throttle control. its either on or off. you dont want to be in his race, he will hit you if your in front of him.

IMO a blitz or sc10 is just covering for a lack in skill. its like a bandaid, it doesnt fix the problem it just makes it better. that is if you went to one from a slash because you didnt like it.

i like that you can break sc10 a arms with your fingers.

**** THERE WILL BE SARCASM BELOW****

There is so much wrong with both of these posts.. but there is one right "idea" and that is that it's the driver.. not the truck... PERIOD.

I race both a Slash and a Blitz. The Blitz is pretty darn durable.. I have not ever broken ANYTHING on it.. in two months of racing and bashing it... not so much as a bent axle...

I have driven the Slash MUCH longer (2 years).. and as such, i run laps that are just as fast with a 17.5t Slash as with my 8.5t Blitz. But by your logic, I am more skilled ONLY when driving my Slash, and my Blitz is a band-aid for my lack of skill... Has nothing to do with the fact I run the same lines, and jump the same doubles etc... I'm just more skilled while I drive my slash...

Think about what you're saying fellas.. It's good that you like you slash, and you have pride in it.. and you can probably drive the wheels off of it... and naturally you're more skilled than I am since I HAD to buy a Blitz to compete...

The hard truth is, 75% of it is the driver... the rest is the truck, track and good setup. If you had the fastest guy at the track run a box stock truck, after about 10 laps, he'd probably be able to beat almost everyone again... If you drove the fastest guys rig.. you MIGHT be faster than you were with your own.. but probably not... The truth is, and I see it from stock to mod to 1/8 buggy to mod 4x4 sct... the fast guys finish at top regardless of what classes they run... Yhe rest of the truth is, they are usually running an SC10 or Blitz or Kyosho because the trucks are more tuneable platform and the LCG DOES make them better race cars.

[arvint]

^^couldn't agree more!
BTW fizz..its on the way..

[Emaxx2.0]

It's all driving. Yes the slash can go from bashing to racing with just a tire change but if you're racing competitive. You're not going to bash a race vehicle...even a slash. All the time you spent with tuning(shocks especially) you don't want to take a chance with any more of tweaking. Look at what touring car racers have to go through lol. You think they going to bash there TC? Alot of skilled racers have been using Ae or HPi and back in the day Losi. So they are use to those brands. When your dribving skills start surpassing the vehicle, then it's time for a new vehicles. The slash is limited compare to the more competitive brands. But you also don't need a top of the line factory team either. But i would get the Blitz ESE in a heart beat...but I love my Slash the way it is(but needs big bores and a alum tranny) and the HPI Mini Trophy was just a must have lol.

[Out of Sight]

I agree to what Emaxx said...when driving skills start to surpass our vehicles then it's time for a switch. However I'll stand by my Slash, and the upcoming STRC Rustler chassis conversion kit may just surpass my driving skills

[DrFizz2k1]

HPI Mini Trophy was just a must have lol.

That is a sweet little rig.. love the scale looks, the full cage and body panels... the motor is in a spot what makes a heatsink near impossible.. and the center spool was a let down.. was hoping for a diff... but other than that, its too cool.. the rear suspensions... i can see all the mods HPI will have being super sweet...

[Emaxx2.0]

That is a sweet little rig.. love the scale looks, the full cage and body panels... the motor is in a spot what makes a heatsink near impossible.. and the center spool was a let down.. was hoping for a diff... but other than that, its too cool.. the rear suspensions... i can see all the mods HPI will have being super sweet...

I'll look into a heatsink for the motor. It's not a spool. It's the slipper lol. Hpi does give you a extra long shock shaft so u can add another set of shocks to the rear lol. I'm not worried about crazy speed. I orders a Green Machine 3 for it. It's all about scale. I wish Traxxas will built something like this so this class can grow too and something to go with my Slash.

[FSTR4X4]

**** THERE WILL BE SARCASM BELOW****

There is so much wrong with both of these posts.. but there is one right "idea" and that is that it's the driver.. not the truck... PERIOD.

I race both a Slash and a Blitz. The Blitz is pretty darn durable.. I have not ever broken ANYTHING on it.. in two months of racing and bashing it... not so much as a bent axle...

I have driven the Slash MUCH longer (2 years).. and as such, i run laps that are just as fast with a 17.5t Slash as with my 8.5t Blitz. But by your logic, I am more skilled ONLY when driving my Slash, and my Blitz is a band-aid for my lack of skill... Has nothing to do with the fact I run the same lines, and jump the same doubles etc... I'm just more skilled while I drive my slash...

Think about what you're saying fellas.. It's good that you like you slash, and you have pride in it.. and you can probably drive the wheels off of it... and naturally you're more skilled than I am since I HAD to buy a Blitz to compete...

The hard truth is, 75% of it is the driver... the rest is the truck, track and good setup. If you had the fastest guy at the track run a box stock truck, after about 10 laps, he'd probably be able to beat almost everyone again... If you drove the fastest guys rig.. you MIGHT be faster than you were with your own.. but probably not... The truth is, and I see it from stock to mod to 1/8 buggy to mod 4x4 sct... the fast guys finish at top regardless of what classes they run... Yhe rest of the truth is, they are usually running an SC10 or Blitz or Kyosho because the trucks are more tuneable platform and the LCG DOES make them better race cars.

The only way i think the blitz is a band-aid is when you get a slash, hate it because you cant drive it, then buy a blitz or sc10. if you just have both and like both then theres nothing wrong with that. its just the guys that think they will somehow be awesome by buying a lcg truck.

after seeing my friend with a blitz beat it, i in no way think its stronger. he snapped a chassis just by hitting a curb a little weird. he has snapped like 2 or 3 rpm a arms. he has bent EVERY pin on the truck twice. and the second ones were the titanium coated ones. the list goes on and on. and i know this because im the one fixing it. lol

He had a slash for like a year before and he hated it. but yet he hardly broke anything. now im not saying the blitz isnt durable, it is, but when pushed to the limits by a noob driver its going to break a lot. like if i drive it i dont break anything. each truck has limits as to how much stress it can take, and im 100% sure the slash can take more than the blitz.

[Emaxx2.0]

The only way i think the blitz is a band-aid is when you get a slash, hate it because you cant drive it, then buy a blitz or sc10. if you just have both and like both then theres nothing wrong with that. its just the guys that think they will somehow be awesome by buying a lcg truck.

after seeing my friend with a blitz beat it, i in no way think its stronger. he snapped a chassis just by hitting a curb a little weird. he has snapped like 2 or 3 rpm a arms. he has bent EVERY pin on the truck twice. and the second ones were the titanium coated ones. the list goes on and on. and i know this because im the one fixing it. lol

He had a slash for like a year before and he hated it. but yet he hardly broke anything. now im not saying the blitz isnt durable, it is, but when pushed to the limits by a noob driver its going to break a lot. like if i drive it i dont break anything. each truck has limits as to how much stress it can take, and im 100% sure the slash can take more than the blitz.

Now my E-Firestorm is about the most durable truck I have owned. I slammed into a metal pole doing top speed with a 7700kv and a 2s lipo. I only popped a ball cup. Nothing ever broke. I bash the heck out of that truck.

[DrFizz2k1]

The only way i think the blitz is a band-aid is when you get a slash, hate it because you cant drive it, then buy a blitz or sc10. if you just have both and like both then theres nothing wrong with that. its just the guys that think they will somehow be awesome by buying a lcg truck.

after seeing my friend with a blitz beat it, i in no way think its stronger. he snapped a chassis just by hitting a curb a little weird. he has snapped like 2 or 3 rpm a arms. he has bent EVERY pin on the truck twice. and the second ones were the titanium coated ones. the list goes on and on. and i know this because im the one fixing it. lol

He had a slash for like a year before and he hated it. but yet he hardly broke anything. now im not saying the blitz isnt durable, it is, but when pushed to the limits by a noob driver its going to break a lot. like if i drive it i dont break anything. each truck has limits as to how much stress it can take, and im 100% sure the slash can take more than the blitz.

i'm sure i speak for everyon when i say... your friend cant drive.. LOL.. he sounds like a menace and should be prevented from doing more destruction.

I never said it was MORE durable.. i just said that is IS durable. I probably do rive better than your pal, and havent seen problem one from this truck. I bought it used thought and while the only non stock items on it are the upgraded orange aluminum shocks, it was exceptionally well maintained by the former owner who is somewhat OCD when it comes to his RC stuff.. well. everything really.. but yeah.. he had the truck for 6 months before i bought it, it was never bashed then and only track driven. so to say mine has endured any real abuse would be lying. but I do race on ROUGH ungroomed out door tracks as well as well prepared indoor. i dont use any of my SCT anymore to do what any of you would call bashing.. thats all 1/8 buggy time now... (remains unbroken after 3 months of pounding... and 2 races.. LOL)

I love my slash... well whats left of it.. its all after market now... Outlaw pro chassis, complete protrac kit, novak esc and motor, spektrum servo, futaba radio... jconcepts and AKA tires... proline and rpm bumpers... STRC at the corners.. the only thing left from traxxas is the tranny, body mounts and the body itself.... but even the body is from a 4x4... i digress.. i love the truck...

i have been running it hard for 2 years now, and its never let me down, not one time.. i have broken it... but ive had parts on hand (i have 3 slashes and a rustler to necro parts from) it's a great rig... its MORE than competitive now... as long as your friend isnt the one driving it..LOL.. i like it enough on the track that after another race or 2, i MIGHT part with the Blitz... but the blitz is in stock form with only upgraded electronics... and the shocks... I enjoy winning with the Traxxas MORE than anything else... it does feel like a slap in the face of the SC10 or Blitz or Kyosho guys...

[stampedeman109]

The bottom line is the only class that a slash can hang with a blitz or a sc10in is the stock sc class. In mod there's no hope even if a 1/10 Dale Earnhardt was in the truck wheeling it around the track

It does come down to mostly driver abiltiy but if you try to tell me a stock slash can beat a mod sc10 or blitz I laugh in your face. The only way that would happen is if the slash driver is somehow a quite an amazing driver stock with a high cg truck meant for bashing and the rest of the drivers running low cg trucks are less average drivers and have know clue how to drive a rc in any other way then in a striaght line.

Second senario: The slash driver is nothing special but can run clean laps and the other drivers are just plain terrible 3 yr olds that are running stock blitz's (because they are the strongest truck out there now) for fun and not to win and at the same time are either too busy picking thier noses or more interested in crashing then racing. The result is the slash driver could run circles around all of them even if he decided to strap a reciever to a rock and called it his new race rig.

So all in all the best driver will win but why wouldn't they better thier chances with a better truck. I'm not tacking anything away from the slash. It has its place and must be taken for what it is, a basher and a capable stock sc racer.

When it had no competitors on the market and raced in stock for it was much better for the sport and much better racing but as this industry goes there has to be better, more comples (shinnier) new products for people to dominate with so I guess thats the way it goes.

If you can win with a slash why not get a blitz or sc10 and make it 20 times easier to win?

[Federally]

Lol at the above post. I'm as competitive as my driving skills allow (we all have our off days) in the open 2wd sc class. My slash has the protrac kit, velineon system and strc on the corners and an assortment of tires and traxxas big bores. So it's still mostly a slash and it's very competitive so your stated as fact comments are a bit absurd.

[j-rock]

If you can win with a slash why not get a blitz or sc10 and make it 20 times easier to win?

this is the only thing that really needs to be said in this thread

[FSTR4X4]

i'm sure i speak for everyone when i say... your friend cant drive.. LOL.. he sounds like a menace and should be prevented from doing more destruction.

he cant drive lol. he is always coming up with excuses as to why he can. one day its tires. he gets new tires. then its the motor, he gets a new motor, then its servo, and then that made him worse because he could swerve faster. lol

and the funny thing is i was watching him race last year when i was with my friend and he was better then. im not sure how he lost all throttle control since i saw him last year but its all gone now. so we have to bribe the person setting up the heats with chips or something to make sure we arent racing with him. works everytime!! lol

is the blitz faster on a track? yes. is it more fun on the track? no. it has horrible turning even with a high end servo so drifting is a little difficult. i personally will never own a blitz because i just dont like the style of it. to each their own and the blitz may be better to them. to me the slash is perfect and i love it.

[Emaxx2.0]

he cant drive lol. he is always coming up with excuses as to why he can. one day its tires. he gets new tires. then its the motor, he gets a new motor, then its servo, and then that made him worse because he could swerve faster. lol

and the funny thing is i was watching him race last year when i was with my friend and he was better then. im not sure how he lost all throttle control since i saw him last year but its all gone now. so we have to bribe the person setting up the heats with chips or something to make sure we arent racing with him. works everytime!! lol

is the blitz faster on a track? yes. is it more fun on the track? no. it has horrible turning even with a high end servo so drifting is a little difficult. i personally will never own a blitz because i just dont like the style of it. to each their own and the blitz may be better to them. to me the slash is perfect and i love it.

Have you ran a blitz long enough to know or what setup works? What about Ae or Kyosho? Same can be said about them. Why would you be drifting while racing offroad anyways?

[FSTR4X4]

Have you ran a blitz long enough to know or what setup works? What about Ae or Kyosho? Same can be said about them. Why would you be drifting while racing offroad anyways?

ive put a lot of time running that blitz, and its fine, but i personally dont like it. i havent driven a AE so idk. i have driven a stock kyosho and i actually liked that one a lot. its too hard to get parts around here for that though.

a lot of the tracks around here have tight corners and its faster to get around them sliding than taking them wide. plus its more fun.

[arvint]

alot of good info here...
My opinion is... (lol...)

Well..My slash (pro trac, xtreme cf chassis, suped servo, and so on..), really fits my drivng style... I mean, I can control it better than my friends blitz...I can feel it better on the track aswell...but he absolutely hates how my slash drives.. Sure..on paper the lcg trucks do have an advantage and they obviously should...but I really think its how the driver links with the truck..I mean...I'm a horrible driver at the track until I used my slash...I kept up with sc10s, stayed on the rear of slash 4x4s and a jammn scrt10...and was passed by a stock slash with a rpm gear case, and some aluminum shocks (strc to my memory..) O.o...
Tried my friends' blitz....and it wasn't 20 times easier to win...i did if anythng worse..not saying the truch is worse, just saying it wasn't for me..

At our track...do to the slashs design, 98% of the racers own ESE's, sc10 FT, and the ultima..only 2 people run slashs..me and a another.. (if you dont count the 10-20 4-8 year olds..)... he is in the same state as me...he tried the other more track suited trucks, but he couldn't get them around as quick as he did with the slash.. so yeah...thats just my thought..Just think different people, do better with different trucks..just gotta give them a try..

[stampedeman109]

In my opinion the slash can't compete at high levels, but I do love to see the high end ese and sc10 drivers cry when they get whopped by a slash.

Each of the trucks has a different driving style. The slash is much more forgiving, but I do believe there has to be a lower chassis to get rid of some of the body roll.

Also one the blitz, I really don't like the way it looks. It seems like it would push incredably bad but they are quick at the local track.

The sc10 should be the best in theory based off the t4 but sc is just a different game I guess.

Bottom line any truck can be competitive with the right upgrades. You would have to do a lot to a slash to get it competitive but a sc10 or a blitz is set up out of the box.

My final thought are why do some people live by thier slash because they can bash and race with it. Do one or the other. If you're racing seriously why would you beat on the trcuk? Keep the salsh for the back yard and set up a different slash set up for racing or get a different type of truck all together. And if thats to expensive (getting 2 trucks) decide what you like best and stick with it or race in a stock class where the driver is what wins not the truck as much.

[ducati777]

At the track this weekend, we had 49 entries, and a ton of classes. The 4wd trucks were not faster than the mod trucks. The top 2wd mod guys were beating the 4wd trucks.

I got 9 laps in both qualifiers with the Slash, and went 9 & 10 laps with the ERBE.

It seemed like the SC10 was the popular truck with the fast guys.

I'm sticking with the Slash, I made enough errors over the weekend that a faster truck wouldn't have made much difference. Plus I kind of like the Slash getting a slow reputation, it makes talking trash after the race even more sweet.

Yep, you sure were going fast when I passed you in the Slash....

[geoff cleland]

IMO, the slash takes way more skill to drive. I see it like this, not every one has the ability to balance a spinning plate on a stick. Some people get upset and decide to spin the plate on their fingers. Those with true skill can win with a box stock slash. Those who are frustrated, or bad, drivers think that a truck with a lower cg will fix their inability to hold a straight line. We have to remember that the truck by its self just sits. It up to us to make to move.

Well said! The Slash is a DRIVER'S truck and requires skill and concentration to understand it's peculiarities.In my opinion,it is the best short course truck to have to become a competant driver.It is not the best handling SC truck on the market or the quickest but that it is part of it's appeal.If you can wring the best out of a Slash 2WD,imagine what you can do with a fully set up SC race truck!
Slash2WD-Xcelorin 4800kv motor/EZrun 80 amp ESC.
Slash 2WD-Velineon 3500kv motor/Sidewinder ESC.
Slash 4WD-stock.
HPI Blitz-Mamba Sidewinder 5700kv combo.
Hyper 10SC-Novak HV PRO 6.5t combo.
Hyper 10SC-Mamba Max 4600kv combo.
Savage Flux.
E-Revo Brushless.

[Emaxx2.0]

Well said! The Slash is a DRIVER'S truck and requires skill and concentration to understand it's peculiarities.In my opinion,it is the best short course truck to have to become a competant driver.It is not the best handling SC truck on the market or the quickest but that it is part of it's appeal.If you can wring the best out of a Slash 2WD,imagine what you can do with a fully set up SC race truck!
Slash2WD-Xcelorin 4800kv motor/EZrun 80 amp ESC.
Slash 2WD-Velineon 3500kv motor/Sidewinder ESC.
Slash 4WD-stock.
HPI Blitz-Mamba Sidewinder 5700kv combo.
Hyper 10SC-Novak HV PRO 6.5t combo.
Hyper 10SC-Mamba Max 4600kv combo.
Savage Flux.
E-Revo Brushless.

Get rid of those sensorless setup for a sensored. You'll be amazing by the control on the track.