Sick of CC, Need some insight towards Tekin

[Cultivate]

I'm so fed up with Castle Creations. I'm sure by now you know my story so I'm not going into it, but I'll tell you the last straw. When I called initially the guy said they had 150 in stock and he would ship it out first thing, I would get a tracking email for it, and I would receive it on thursday. Today is Monday I haven't received so I called. Turns out they are out of stock and sent me no notice and I will be waiting another week or so before they can even be shipped. That's not to mention the mishaps when I emailed their "24/7 email support" (mumbo jumbo if you ask me).

Anyway I'm looking at this Tekin system. I will cut the series connector off of my stock ERBE and use it. What else will I need to make this work right off the bat. I'm going to ship this one day so I need some insight quick! Thanks as always my dear Traxxas brethren.

I will not as long as I live order another CC product. and I will be selling my MM with the motor if anyone is interested. I have not had a single run on the motor and the ESC will be shipped to me soon (NiB).

[ThacoVXL]

I have a tekin RX-8 with 2250KV motor, just got just last week ran it this weekend, all i can say is WOW, i am more than impressed with the performance, and i am only running 4s, i am almost afraid to try 6s (BTW the cheapest i found it was stormer hobbies, might save you a little looking)

[Cultivate]

Well I'm ordering from Tower because I can get 60 off and free shipping. Did you have to buy anything else? I'm sure you bought this, but everything else fit just right??

[cubsfan2010]

With Tekin you don't have to have the Hotwire to program. It is very easy to do without it, but the Hotwire makes it much easier and allows more detailed programming such as LVC voltage.

I don't have one yet (waiting for b-day), but the 2250 will easily keep up with a MMM or even outrun it. It is also smooth as butter doing it.

[Cultivate]

Will I need a new pinion or any mounting equipment for the ESC? I have no hobbyshop in my town so I want to get everything I will need.

[cubsfan2010]

Pinion will be same 5mm as a MMM. Gearing will probably be same as the kv's are similar. Not sure about esc mounting, but have heard many will mount using Velcro.

[padrino]

I have one to go along with my MMM and love it, my second just arrived today . I actually modified the e-revo MMM mount to hold the Tekin down the same way so I didn't have to stick it to the chassis.

[Manne]

you can use the supplied steeringstop as "hold down clamp" fits perfectly

[cmaynexblack]

Has anyone else run a different esc with the MM if so details please.

[brett_dirtbike]

how does the RX-8 perform with the Neu-Castle 2200kv motor?

i know the Tekin motors are sensored, but having never run a sensored motor, is it worth the extra $100?

[z-class88]

Tekin is worth every penny. Very easy to adjust . No complants

[Novarider]

You won't need to cut the series adapter off the mmm leave it on there if your planning on selling it. The Tekin comes with more than enough wire to make a series adapter you will just need 2 Traxxas male plugs. I run 21/56 gearing and I run 4s and have had no heat issues. I think the motor is worth buying because it's censored meaning it's smooth as butter at low speed like crawling. I use industreal strength Velcro to mount the esc just put the stiff part on the chassis and the fuzzy part on the bottom of the esc. If you use Velcro make sure you twist and wiggle the esc when pressing the Velcro together to make sure all of the little hooks grab a loop

[R-maxX 19]

This is my honest opinion. The RX8 is good on a truck like a Summit, where it needs that low speed-no cogging type motor. I was at my track on Monday, and I'm sorry to say that a RX8 4s Truggy had no match against my 4s MMM Revo.(besides through the turns) The MMM + NEU blows the Tekin out of the water with High end torque and speed. That was the first time that I've seen a RX8 in person, and I wasn't too impressed. Towards the end of the day, his Tekin had a Meltdown. If no one believes me, PM thecoolman101 about the meltdown.



I AM NOT saying that the Tekin is a bad setup, I am just saying that I wasn't too impressed the first time I saw it.

[padrino]

This is my honest opinion. The RX8 is good on a truck like a Summit, where it needs that low speed-no cogging type motor. I was at my track on Monday, and I'm sorry to say that a RX8 4s Truggy had no match against my 4s MMM Revo.(besides through the turns) The MMM + NEU blows the Tekin out of the water with High end torque and speed. That was the first time that I've seen a RX8 in person, and I wasn't too impressed. Towards the end of the day, his Tekin had a Meltdown. If no one believes me, PM thecoolman101 about the meltdown.



I AM NOT saying that the Tekin is a bad setup, I am just saying that I wasn't too impressed the first time I saw it.

I have had the opposite experience, do you know the truggy gearing, batteries, motor rating, quality of driver etc. since without all of that the statement you are making is unqualified.

[ThacoVXL]

This is my honest opinion. The RX8 is good on a truck like a Summit, where it needs that low speed-no cogging type motor. I was at my track on Monday, and I'm sorry to say that a RX8 4s Truggy had no match against my 4s MMM Revo.(besides through the turns) The MMM + NEU blows the Tekin out of the water with High end torque and speed. That was the first time that I've seen a RX8 in person, and I wasn't too impressed. Towards the end of the day, his Tekin had a Meltdown. If no one believes me, PM thecoolman101 about the meltdown.



I AM NOT saying that the Tekin is a bad setup, I am just saying that I wasn't too impressed the first time I saw it.

it's pretty obvious that the trucks will not perform the same, since they are not the same trucks, with the same setups, try comparing apples to apples, compare them both in the same truck, with the same gearing, your opinion will change.

[asheck]

compare them both in the same truck, with the same gearing,

Well since they are different motors, at slightly different kv, to really get apples to apples it would take a datalogger. Or perhaps verified top speed. As The Tekin should be faster on the same gearing. But in general I do hear alot of good about the Tekin.

How about some of you'll really pushing these and see how they do. I'd like to see what happens pushing 70 on 4s, or 90 on 6s. Will they do it? Will they do it, no problem, Which system really can produce the max power

[Cultivate]

send me the road rage or phaltlines and some rims to slap them on and I'll verify otherwise I'm strickly bashing :P. I would run the tekin esc with the MM motor, but then I couldn't sell it as new... So, I'm not doing that

[2IS]

Well since they are different motors, at slightly different kv, to really get apples to apples it would take a datalogger. Or perhaps verified top speed. As The Tekin should be faster on the same gearing. But in general I do hear alot of good about the Tekin.

How about some of you'll really pushing these and see how they do. I'd like to see what happens pushing 70 on 4s, or 90 on 6s. Will they do it? Will they do it, no problem, Which system really can produce the max power

Well the motors being different is still an apples to apples comparison if they're used in the same application. It is afterall the powerplant we want to compare for the simple fact that it is infact different.

The Tekin system is intriguing to me, though from what I've seen and heard, their motors aren't nearly as bullet proof as neu castle motors.

[asheck]

Well the motors being different is still an apples to apples comparison if they're used in the same application. It is afterall the powerplant we want to compare for the simple fact that it is infact different.

Right, but what I was saying is if the Tekin is geared for a faster speed, which it would be if they were using the same gearing, it's not fair to just say that it's faster.

[ThacoVXL]

Right, but what I was saying is if the Tekin is geared for a faster speed, which it would be if they were using the same gearing, it's not fair to just say that it's faster.

50kv geared the same is a lot more fair than comparing 2 completely different trucks with unknown setups.

[vxlrocket]

This is my honest opinion. The RX8 is good on a truck like a Summit, where it needs that low speed-no cogging type motor. I was at my track on Monday, and I'm sorry to say that a RX8 4s Truggy had no match against my 4s MMM Revo.(besides through the turns) The MMM + NEU blows the Tekin out of the water with High end torque and speed. That was the first time that I've seen a RX8 in person, and I wasn't too impressed. Towards the end of the day, his Tekin had a Meltdown. If no one believes me, PM thecoolman101 about the meltdown.



I AM NOT saying that the Tekin is a bad setup, I am just saying that I wasn't too impressed the first time I saw it.

i would have liked to have seen what the esc's settings were when it burned up. i've had all 3 of my tekins flat out overgeared on big trucks on 6S and they run very cool.

you can easily adjust the esc into overheating and melting if you don't have it adjusted correctly to the motor you're using.

i own both mambas and rx-8's and i still run my monster mambas up to 5S, but when i need 6S... i know my tekin can and has handled it with ease.

[Cultivate]

I put 2 sets of 2x 3s batteries through my tekin today. I could not be happier. I love it. The low speed smooth driving is phenomenal.

[R-maxX 19]

I wasn't starting a flamewar. Believe me. I was stating my honest opinion, and you guys were right; I had no Idea what his setup was.

[Novarider]

Glad you like it

[noir522]

http://monster.traxxas.com/showthread.php?t=517180

[safc/rc]

this should give some insight into the 1/8 scale high power brushless systems ,, and yes according to this tekin is the best ,, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8JvRtJhrW5Q p,s yes he got it rwong tekin is pc programmable via the hot wire system also the ezrun via there pc programm box sorry squirral .lol..

[BrianG]

this should give some insight into the 1/8 scale high power brushless systems ,, and yes according to this tekin is the best ,, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8JvRtJhrW5Q p,s yes he got it rwong tekin is pc programmable via the hot wire system also the ezrun via there pc programm box sorry squirral .lol..

He got a few things wrong actually. I stopped watching early on, but I had heard enough. For one thing, the Quark 125B is basically a MambaMax hardware-wise. The only thing better about the 125B than the MM is the fact it can supposedly handle 6s lipo. However, 6s rarely works on a fully charged pack, but 5s works fine. He also said for 4s and above a BEC is needed. Wrong! A BEC should be used for anything 3s and up. And before someone who knows nothing decides to argue; yes, it does make a difference (I can go into the math if you'd like). It really does not belong in the 8th scale ESC class IMO, and the current rating is really more like 80-90A, not 125A (despite what the label says).

Anyway, I have had all the ESCs he tested except for the MGM, and they all have their potential issues: the MMM may fail, but you have a good warranty. The Tekin is a solid all around performer, but the price is a bit high and there is some talk about the solder used may break loose (but warranty is good). The HW is a budget ESC with little support if needed.

Any ESC can have problems. When you are squeezing that much power into such a tiny package, anything wrong with any part of the system can cause disastrous results. I'm actually surprised they are as reliable as they are considering the environment and user expertise (or lack thereof), and then there is the usual normal failure rate inherent in all electronics.

[2IS]

A BEC should be used for anything 3s and up.

Is this for any ESC or just the MM and similar?

[BrianG]

Any ESC using a linear regulator, like the Quark 125B, MM, Sidewinder, VXL, etc. Switching BECs (MMM, RX8, HW, etc) are much different and are usually rated to the same voltage as the ESC.

[cmaynexblack]

Are there any others who ran different esc's with the MM? I love my truck, only had it since mid January and it's been through 3 esc's going on the 4th. The customer service is out of this world good but I wish I never had to use them at all. This was a birthday present and it's starting to cause problems with all the time I've spent researching, upgrading and the replacing of broken parts. My girl wanted one but now she is not so sure because of the problems I am having. I just want this thing to work and be reliable

[BrianG]

For giggles, have you looked at other possible causes? I can see one, maybe two, ESCs going bad for component failure, but three and four bad ESCs in a row would make me start looking at other things. A bad (or semi-bad) motor can definitely cause an ESC to blow. You could have a couple motor wires intermittently touching against each other, or the casing (same effect). You could just be an unlucky one I guess, but it wouldn't hurt to look at other things. No matter what ESC you get, if there is something else wrong, you're gonna blow them as well.

[vxlrocket]

Are there any others who ran different esc's with the MM? I love my truck, only had it since mid January and it's been through 3 esc's going on the 4th. The customer service is out of this world good but I wish I never had to use them at all. This was a birthday present and it's starting to cause problems with all the time I've spent researching, upgrading and the replacing of broken parts. My girl wanted one but now she is not so sure because of the problems I am having. I just want this thing to work and be reliable

i would also start looking at other causes. i had one customer at my lhs go through 3 escs before discovering it was a bad servo. it's not extremely common, but it does happen.

[safc/rc]

He got a few things wrong actually. I stopped watching early on, but I had heard enough. For one thing, the Quark 125B is basically a MambaMax hardware-wise. The only thing better about the 125B than the MM is the fact it can supposedly handle 6s lipo. However, 6s rarely works on a fully charged pack, but 5s works fine. He also said for 4s and above a BEC is needed. Wrong! A BEC should be used for anything 3s and up. And before someone who knows nothing decides to argue; yes, it does make a difference (I can go into the math if you'd like). It really does not belong in the 8th scale ESC class IMO, and the current rating is really more like 80-90A, not 125A (despite what the label says).

Anyway, I have had all the ESCs he tested except for the MGM, and they all have their potential issues: the MMM may fail, but you have a good warranty. The Tekin is a solid all around performer, but the price is a bit high and there is some talk about the solder used may break loose (but warranty is good). The HW is a budget ESC with little support if needed.

Any ESC can have problems. When you are squeezing that much power into such a tiny package, anything wrong with any part of the system can cause disastrous results. I'm actually surprised they are as reliable as they are considering the environment and user expertise (or lack thereof), and then there is the usual normal failure rate inherent in all electronics.

i would have to agree with most of your staments , i have not used all the esc he listed but would say castle does have a high fail rate from what i have heard and seen , just as well they have a good after sales realy . if you only get what you pay for as everyone keeps saying then tekin must be the system to choose , the ezrun iam told are very poor , but there new systems are suposed to be very good , so i hear its all a matter of preffrence to be honest . thanks

[cmaynexblack]

Well I hope it is the motor because when the esc caught fire it burned one of the motor wires so they sent me a replacement for both. I just want it to work, I love the smile this thing puts on my face when it's running.

[cmaynexblack]

This is a noob question so here it is. Why or is there any difference between the green or the black MM motor?

[brett_dirtbike]

This is a noob question so here it is. Why or is there any difference between the green or the black MM motor?

green is just a normal Neu/Castle motor.. black is the one they made special for the ERBE, it also has shorter motor wires to fit the truck layout better

[Cultivate]

6s is tons of power and since I have run about 4 battery cycles through my new Tekin system I have noticed one thing I love very much. The Tekin system provides me with punch in all range spectrums and has amazing slow speed smooth power which is great when running 6s because it's so fast I'm rarely at full throttle (VERY rarely).

[FreakyT333]

So I saw this question mentioned but no real answer, here it is again- has anyone ran the CC 2200 motor with the rx8 esc and if so how does that combo perform by comparison to the mmm combo. I love my mmm so far have had 0 problems and run 4s with PLENTY of power however I do enjoy a nice slow crawl through some rocks or tough hills with the giant tires every once in a while and I hate the cogging and hesitation of the mmm I have the newest firmware. So even running the sensorless motor how much better is the rx8 with this issue?

[cmaynexblack]

So is one better than the other or is it just the wires are shorter/longer and the color?

[FreakyT333]

They are the same motor neither is any better than the other just the wire/color differences.