Velineon speed control and Mamba Monster

[The Stig]

Sorry for the newbie question but can a Velineon VXL 3S speed control run a 2200 Kv Mamba Monster?

[wirgej38]

No, your speed control would overheat because the VXL3s is a 1/10 scale ESC and the mamba monster is a 1/8 scale motor and even if you could, go slow because the VXL3s controler can only handle up to 3s lipo and you need atleast a 4s lipo to run that motor.

[asheck]

Actually, I believe it would run it. Though it would be limited to 3s, so it would have to be geared pretty high to get any speed out of it. Then it could be kinda hard on it. But people ran similar motors on the MM for a long time before the MMM was available, and it was a descent combo. The 2650 would be much better on 3s imo.

[8ight-e]

Ya a 2650 on the velineon would work just fine at 3s, you'll still have to move it on the chassis but it will hold up to normal use.. get crazy on it, over gearing and such and I'm sure you could make toast out of it. Not needed though as the stock velineon motor is good for 50ish mph on 3s lipo anyway for speed runs and for racing you will want any system geared for 36-38mph max speed.

[kazuaki]

It's not that hard to overheat the VXL esc with a stock VXL motor in a Rustler on 3S, so I'm guessing the MMM 2650 would be too much for the esc. Aside from that, does anyone even know if the VXL esc is capable of running a 4 pole motor?

[8ight-e]

It's not that hard to overheat the VXL esc with a stock VXL motor in a Rustler on 3S, so I'm guessing the MMM 2650 would be too much for the esc. Aside from that, does anyone even know if the VXL esc is capable of running a 4 pole motor?

hmm thats funny I've run the vxl motor and esc in several vehicles even 4wd w/o any issues.. you have to out smart the motor/esc and gear it down when in grass and in areas with a lot of resistance, otherwise you deserve to overheat Better the ESC than the motor iMO It's funny my brother was always the same way, wanted to be geared for 60mph speed runs and wondered why he would over heat out in the grass bashing instead of just gearing down to ~40 where it should be.

[kazuaki]

I was geared for 55-60 on the street, which is not over geared. Regardless, does anyone know if the VXL3S can operate a 4 pole motor? If not, that answers this thread right there. I know the smaller VXL in the mini revo does not run 4 pole motors.

[brushlessbandit]

the velinion doesnt do 4 pole motors (that would mean 4 wires to motor, right?)
it only has 3 wires (same as the mini ESC)

[asheck]

the velinion doesnt do 4 pole motors (that would mean 4 wires to motor, right?)
it only has 3 wires (same as the mini ESC)

The poles refer to the magnetic points on the motor, not the wires.

[fb5b]

No it won't the 4 pole Neu motors like the 2650 and 2200 would demand more amps than the VXL ESC can reliably provide.

[brushlessbandit]

The poles refer to the magnetic points on the motor, not the wires.

okay then, thank you

[8ight-e]

No it won't the 4 pole Neu motors like the 2650 and 2200 would demand more amps than the VXL ESC can reliably provide.

I ran Neu motors on the MM for years and it's rated just as low as the velineon.. LOL Only thing you would need is the fan installed on top to keep temps in line. Pretty much all esc's running 1512 and 1515 motors need a fan at times... but the velineon is capable for standard gearings. If you push it like I said before, you can pop it...

[Le0Heart]

No it won't the 4 pole Neu motors like the 2650 and 2200 would demand more amps than the VXL ESC can reliably provide.

BUT, VXL 3x ESC has a 200 continuous AMP rating where as Mamba Monster ESC as 120 AMP rating only!

How do you conclude that VXL is not up to the mark for amp draw ?

[RcPocketRocket]

BUT, VXL 3x ESC has a 200 continuous AMP rating where as Mamba Monster ESC as 120 AMP rating only!

How do you conclude that VXL is not up to the mark for amp draw ?

The VXL has a 60AMP cont rating or at least mine does. The MMM is capible and has been logged as high as 200ish on 6s speed runs in a Revo.

[crusey_aus]

If the esc works the same way as the one in the mini revos it would limit the rpms to 25,000 (50,000 limit for 2 pole motors)

ESC design is totally different to the Castle and you would melt it pretty quick with the huge burst currents of the Neu motors

Given that the esc has issues handling the stock motor at 3s it wouldnt be worth trying

Cheers

[SirSlash4x4]

How much faster would this be?

[candy76man]

If the esc works the same way as the one in the mini revos it would limit the rpms to 25,000 (50,000 limit for 2 pole motors)

ESC design is totally different to the Castle and you would melt it pretty quick with the huge burst currents of the Neu motors



Cheers

Do we know for sure that the esc in the slash 4x4 has a rpm limit like the minirevo one does?

Also, on current draw, you have to consider that the amps a motor pulls is dependent on how hard the motor is working, a neu 2200 or 2650 motor in the slash 4x4 would not have to work very hard like it does in a larger, much heavier rc like the revo so the current draw will drop accordingly.

[UselessPickles]

The VXL has a 60AMP cont rating or at least mine does.

Then you must have bought your VXL from a Chinese counterfeit shop or something. The VXL-3s is rated for 200A continuous and 320A peak: http://www.traxxas.com/products/acce...ries_vxl3s.htm

Do you have the VXL-3m (1/16 scale ESC)? That's only rated for 52A continuous.

[Dr.J]

I found this old thread and it made me ask the question, why is the mmp so much better at handling amps if it rated at 80-120 continuous amps (cant find the exact #, but its around there) and the velineon is 200 continuous?

[bodypiercer_n_az]

I run a 4 pole mamba motor on my vxl esc with no problems what so ever,but thats just me,it actually works great for me!

[crusey]

Which motor are you using (2650 or 2200) and how is the car geared ?

Cheers

[bodypiercer_n_az]

actually I guess its not a mamba its a Castle1406 1-y 4600kv 4 pole,on a vxl,and that works awesome for me.

[ksb51rl]

Different standards?

[crusey]

Not quite the same load as a 1/8 sized motor

Have heard a few cases of people having success with smaller 4 pole motors recently

Wish I still had my VXL so I could test it, anyone wanna donate one for testing ?

Cheers