cc/mmm combo = TOAST!

[burnin4]

Sorry to bring bad news to all of those anticipating their new cc/mmm setup, but mine died a quick painful death today. I have no idea what happened, however I believe my motor is toast and the esc is fine.

My cc/mmm combo performed flawlessly for 3 days, down right amazing, however a few minutes into a session today the motor started smoking. I am absolutely distraught, but I am going to call cc tomorrow and see how good their customer service is. I'll be sure to report back asap. I have my fingers crossed that it was a random issue, we'll see.

[rc!!!]

awwwww.... dude that sux!

[traxxasbasher13]

Wow that really sucks! Hope you get a new motor asap.

[rrgirgis]

****, im sorry to hear about the loss, what was your setup, gearing batteries etc? there was another person on the forums saying that there cc/neu motor was not turning smoothly and they called castle and they are going to replace it. im sure castle will take care of you they are a world class company

[speed808]

Sorry to bring bad news to all of those anticipating their new cc/mmm setup, but mine died a quick painful death today. I have no idea what happened, however I believe my motor is toast and the esc is fine.

My cc/mmm combo performed flawlessly for 3 days, down right amazing, however a few minutes into a session today the motor started smoking. I am absolutely distraught, but I am going to call cc tomorrow and see how good their customer service is. I'll be sure to report back asap. I have my fingers crossed that it was a random issue, we'll see.

CC customer service is top notch. What they will probably do is get your name, address, and credit card number (in case you don't sent back the defective motor in 30 days). Then they will sent you the replacement motor with a prepaid envelope to sent the defective motor back. When I called, I had to wait about 15 minutes, but the customer service was excellent.

[rrgirgis]

im sorry to hear about the loss, what was your setup, gearing batteries etc? there was another person on the forums saying that there cc/neu motor was not turning smoothly and they called castle and they are going to replace it. im sure castle will take care of you they are a world class company

[MooseDrool]

Jeeez, sorry to hear about that. That has got to be a real kick in the... well...

Let us know what happens.

[burnin4]

my setup consisted of the provided 18t pinion and a 65t spur. I ran 2 full cycles on my pair of 2c 7.4v 8000mah lipos, and 2 full cycles on my pair of 3s 11.1v 4200mah lipos.

[DockBrown88MPH]

The ESC is in good condition (THAT IS THE MOST IMPORTANT THING).

Well, I bought two of these systems... If the motors starts smoking I'm gonna upgrade to a Neu 1515 1y. No way am I gonna settle for 2nd place!!!

Good luck man!

[DockBrown88MPH]

Hey Burnin, how do you know your ESC is ok? Did you test it?

[burnin4]

Hey Burnin, how do you know your ESC is ok? Did you test it?

the esc "seems" ok, but my motor smells like burnt plastic and metal. the esc never got hot or warm, and I visibly saw smoke come from under the plastic motor cover. i know the motor is toast, but not completely sure about the esc.

[brushlessman]

The ESC is in good condition (THAT IS THE MOST IMPORTANT THING).

Well, I bought two of these systems... If the motors starts smoking I'm gonna upgrade to a Neu 1515 1y. No way am I gonna settle for 2nd place!!!

Good luck man!

neu when 2nd place is not a option

[rrgirgis]

sounds like the gearing you had was very safe, im sure that it was just a fluke in the motor, keep us posted

[DockBrown88MPH]

Might be a bigger fluke. Didn't you say someone else's combo motor wasn't turning very well? That might be the issue. So that's 2 so far, but I'm more happy that I havent heard any ESCs smoking.

I am more happy that CC got the MMM ESC right than the motor.
[/LIST]

sounds like the gearing you had was very safe, im sure that it was just a fluke in the motor, keep us posted

[yzf128r]

I don't think the guy that says the motor is hard to turn us an issue. I have the motor, and yes it is hard to turn the shaft because the magnets are very strong, and it is a 4 pole motor. There is a thread on it at rcm.

[DockBrown88MPH]

^ Kudos for that info.

[vxlrocket]

i'm kinda glad i got the old black handmade neu now..this is the third or fourth motor combo problem i've read about since yesterday.

[yzf128r]

I love how people jump to conclusions. As with all products there are bound to be failures. On all of the issues brought up there have been no answers as of yet. It's either manufacturer flaw or user error. Don't you think that we should know the facts before we jump to the conclusion that the combos are having so many issues? I think that castle has done a great job resolving the MMM issues and they have produced a fantastic product at a price the average joe can afford. Maybe my opinion is biast because this combo is my first castle product I have owned, but I think it's great. I have already had far better luck with this system that I did with novak. I went through 3 hv 4.5 systems before I had one that I could run a complete set of packs through without fire. So for me, I take my hat off to castle!

[DockBrown88MPH]

hahahaa and as we read, his motor is cooking this VERY moment.

nah Im just kidding

but it's true. I had my downs and shocks when I heard MMM V3 started burning up, but since then I haven't heard anything for a while.

I'm not afraid, that's why I bought two of those combos. If those motors, so be it... only means I have an excuse to buy a 1515 while I wait for Castle to send me new ones.

I love how people jump to conclusions. As with all products there are bound to be failures. On all of the issues brought up there have been no answers as of yet. It's either manufacturer flaw or user error. Don't you think that we should know the facts before we jump to the conclusion that the combos are having so many issues? I think that castle has done a great job resolving the MMM issues and they have produced a fantastic product at a price the average joe can afford. Maybe my opinion is biast because this combo is my first castle product I have owned, but I think it's great. I have already had far better luck with this system that I did with novak. I went through 3 hv 4.5 systems before I had one that I could run a complete set of packs through without fire. So for me, I take my hat off to castle!

[yzf128r]

Yeah, ditto that. I think the issues that are manufacturer related are very isolated, but if not I've heard that castle's customer service is top notch and they will do whatever it takes to satisfy the customer. So I have no worries or regrets, this combo kicks a~~!

[rrgirgis]

^i agree so far my combo is still holding up and running just, and if anything goes wrong im not worried, castle has the best customer service

[burnin4]

I'm gonna hang in there and see how castle reacts, because this setup was extremely impressive.

I have a novak 6.5hv setup in my other revo, and the motor took a dump after 30 days of use. novak replaced it under warranty and now the replacement is having issues (loss of throttle after a few minutes of use). I sent my novak back for the 2nd time in 120 days, still waiting to see what they are going to do.

[sadclown]

burnin4, what kind of problems are you experiencing with your novak system? I just recently started having a problem with my HV4.5 after over a year of use. I didnt know if it was the motor, esc, or maybe the receiver or transmitter. After about 5 minutes, the throttle just cut out. Then I waited like 30 seconds and it worked. Then eventually the throttle started to blip and stutter, thats when I stopped and went home. This was the last time I ran it, I havent turned it on since (waiting on a bearing from Avid, should be here today).

Is this the kind of problem your having? And do you think its the motor or esc?

Thanks

Sal

[burnin4]

burnin4, what kind of problems are you experiencing with your novak system? I just recently started having a problem with my HV4.5 after over a year of use. I didnt know if it was the motor, esc, or maybe the receiver or transmitter. After about 5 minutes, the throttle just cut out. Then I waited like 30 seconds and it worked. Then eventually the throttle started to blip and stutter, thats when I stopped and went home. This was the last time I ran it, I havent turned it on since (waiting on a bearing from Avid, should be here today).

Is this the kind of problem your having? And do you think its the motor or esc?

Thanks

Sal

my 6.5 novak will kill the throttle after a few minutes of use, then come back to life after a few seconds. it happens numerous times during eash session. it wasnt a big deal for front yard bashing, but I took it to a track and couldnt get more than 1-2 laps without it cutting off. I have complete control of the steering when I loose throttle. Also, I was out playing with my revo and went full throttle and let off....except my revo never responded when I let off the throttle. It went about 38mph into a brick house, and luckily flipped onto it's top, still going full throttle. I tried changing receivers, which didnt get rid of the problem. I am using a spektrum dx3r, so I know I didnt lose signal.

I sent it back to novak last week, going to call them in a few hours to see what they found.

[rrgirgis]

hey burnin, i will be testing my combo some more over the next few days i will keep you posted on what happens..


I AGREE LETS NOT JUMP TO CONCLUSIONS SO EARLY EVERYONE! granted these are new motors to the market and there could be some failures that is normal... also how many first production run products hit some issues, several, so as more people get them then we can truly see if there is a bigger issue at hand, but i dont think so...

and if there is for some terrible reason something wrong with the motors, which im sure there isnt!, history tells us (v1, v2,v3) castle will make good on it all

ouch some streak of bad luck with brushless but novak is a good comp as well and usually they fix most things within warranty

[DockBrown88MPH]

I bought two of these combos... anyone ever thought of putting two of these suckers in an E-Revo? ya know... like a Twin VXL system.

Will the MMM run on 3S alone?

Just a thought...

[tim186]

I bought two of these combos... anyone ever thought of putting two of these suckers in an E-Revo? ya know... like a Twin VXL system.

Will the MMM run on 3S alone?

Just a thought...

LOL i bet it would tear the car apart but would be very interesting to see,doubt we will have to wait long till someone tries it. Yeah it will run on 3s alone

[DockBrown88MPH]

ROFL... I'll post pictures Friday if no one else does it...

BEHOLD!!! The TWIN-MMM E-Revo! Coming this Winter. It would be a heavy sucker... and running on 3s EACH ESC, it would not be very fast would it?

I could wire it in series, but ehhh, I dont wanna get into that.

LOL i bet it would tear the car apart but would be very interesting to see,doubt we will have to wait long till someone tries it. Yeah it will run on 3s alone

[vxlrocket]

ROFL... I'll post pictures Friday if no one else does it...

BEHOLD!!! The TWIN-MMM E-Revo! Coming this Winter. It would be a heavy sucker... and running on 3s EACH ESC, it would not be very fast would it?

I could wire it in series, but ehhh, I dont wanna get into that.

i've seen someone already do that with an e-maxx with twin 1515's with dual 6S on twin escs(but i forget what escs they were)...it tore the drivetrain to pieces in less than 2 minutes and he had all the heavy duty diff parts. it was on youtube for a long time.

[DockBrown88MPH]

Hahaha ok nevermind, not doing it anymore.

Speaking of the combo toasting, I just read on the old E-Revo message board that nieves50's MMM V3 Fried.

I haven't heard any MMM combo ESCs fried though. You guys think those combos are coming with a MMM V4?

None the less, with great power comes risk. Gentlemen, we are playing with fire here. The MMM combo is a RAGING fire.

Did Benjamin Franklin not burn himself first before inventing the first stove, do you think the first blow torch invented did not have a few accidents, or the first jet engine?

No gentlemen, we are making history, we are at the point of trial and error. Out children, and their children will remember this moment in time. They will remember these men of the Traxxas forums that boldly installed 6S lipo packs in a single MMM system, the men that have fought through hard failures, warranty issues, and long hold music on the phone.

Remember... there's heroes and there's legends. Heroes get remembered but legends never die.

-The Sandlot

i've seen someone already do that with an e-maxx with twin 1515's with dual 6S on twin escs(but i forget what escs they were)...it tore the drivetrain to pieces in less than 2 minutes and he had all the heavy duty diff parts. it was on youtube for a long time.

[Patrick delCast]

LOL, it's funny to come in here and read this.

Notice the poster didn't offer any gear ratio, or temperatures, or any other information about the setup he was running. Was the setup bad? How can we know?

If you would like to make a post, please include all of this information. Then we will be able to determine if the problem was caused by an incorrect setup or a "real" issue with that particular motor.

For example, you could gear a MMM combo to go 150mph at top speed on an ERevo. Will it do 150mph? No, it won't. What will happen is that the motor will be damaged.

These are VERY high power combos. Measure your temperatures on the motor between runs. Let the motor cool 15-20 minutes between runs, and NEVER exceed 180F on the motor.

[DockBrown88MPH]

Here it is... just read down a lil more

my setup consisted of the provided 18t pinion and a 65t spur. I ran 2 full cycles on my pair of 2c 7.4v 8000mah lipos, and 2 full cycles on my pair of 3s 11.1v 4200mah lipos.

[Patrick delCast]

Here it is... just read down a lil more

There we go...

Seems like the gearing shouldn't have been an issue. Could have been a defective motor.

I'd give Tech Support a call, they will take care of you.

[DickyT]

I'd give Tech Support a call, they will take care of you.

burnin4, if that does not calm your nerves nothing will.

Castles support is absolute top notch. I was part of the "beta testing program" for the mamba monster. I had 2 v1's a v2 and now a v3 with almost 60 hours on it. They always took great care of me. I also own 3 mamba max's, one of which went in for repair the day I bought it, with castle products you are in good hands, and if Patrick says tech support will take care of you you can sleep easy, just be nice when you get Joe, Thomas, Bernie, of whoever else on te phone.

[carraig042]

You guys think those combos are coming with a MMM V4?

I just received my combo today and a note that came in the box said that it is a V3, but the battery wires are now soldered to the board rather then the bullets now, like on the other versions. No big deal, but I am going to have to buy some more connectors now.

-Brett

[DickyT]

I haven't heard any MMM combo ESCs fried though. You guys think those combos are coming with a MMM V4?

there is no v4...

[skeppley]

I just received my combo today and a note that came in the box said that it is a V3, but the battery wires are now soldered to the board rather then the bullets now, like on the other versions. No big deal, but I am going to have to buy some more connectors now.

-Brett

Are you sure the battery wires arent just pushed in already?
They are a VERY tight fit, so if someone put the bullets into the ESC from the factory, they will be tight.

[vxlrocket]

i can't help but think that most of any failures in the V3's at this point have to be almost user error related.

for example:

i will not run it in the sand
i will not beat it like a rootbeer can
i would not could not get it wet
i will not cook a FET
i must treat it like a friend
i must not smoke it Sam I am

HA! i've been reading too much Dr. Suess to my daughter today.

Anyway, i've heard some of the stories...a few of the people who are smoking them have been complaining about smoking their 7th MMM...modding the cases,(after being told not to) soldering the wires into the sockets(same as above).....ramping them at skate parks....i gotta believe that if Traxxas is producing the brushless revo, they trust Castle. An if they do, that's good enough for me.

alot of these people on these message boards are teenagers with rich parents and have very little knowledge or care on how to really take care of their systems...they know how to complain though. this does not suprise me at all. I kinda think this is why the VXL-3 never got a program card to lift the high voltage cutoff of 3S. less headaches in the repair dept is my guess.

I tend to read alot of these posts with a grain of salt...afterall you have no idea how much experience the person who is operating the new system has.

[DockBrown88MPH]

ehhh, I use to bash at skate parks... man that was fun.

all I expect from a Castle product is that it can handle the abusive bashing, crashing, and driving I pull on my previous Twin VXL system.

Thursday, Thursday, Thursday... hurry up!!! >_< Man, those two combos were suppose to be here today, but a computer error messed it up.

i can't help but think that most of any failures in the V3's at this point have to be almost user error related.

for example:

i will not run it in the sand
i will not beat it like a rootbeer can
i would not could not get it wet
i will not cook a FET
i must treat it like a friend
i must not smoke it Sam I am

HA! i've been reading too much Dr. Suess to my daughter today.

Anyway, i've heard some of the stories...a few of the people who are smoking them have been complaining about smoking their 7th MMM...modding the cases,(after being told not to) soldering the wires into the sockets(same as above).....ramping them at skate parks....i gotta believe that if Traxxas is producing the brushless revo, they trust Castle. An if they do, that's good enough for me.

alot of these people on these message boards are teenagers with rich parents and have very little knowledge or care on how to really take care of their systems...they know how to complain though. this does not suprise me at all. I kinda think this is why the VXL-3 never got a program card to lift the high voltage cutoff of 3S. less headaches in the repair dept is my guess.

I tend to read alot of these posts with a grain of salt...afterall you have no idea how much experience the person who is operating the new system has.

[burnin4]

LOL, it's funny to come in here and read this.

Notice the poster didn't offer any gear ratio, or temperatures, or any other information about the setup he was running. Was the setup bad? How can we know?

If you would like to make a post, please include all of this information. Then we will be able to determine if the problem was caused by an incorrect setup or a "real" issue with that particular motor.

For example, you could gear a MMM combo to go 150mph at top speed on an ERevo. Will it do 150mph? No, it won't. What will happen is that the motor will be damaged.

These are VERY high power combos. Measure your temperatures on the motor between runs. Let the motor cool 15-20 minutes between runs, and NEVER exceed 180F on the motor.

I'm assuming you missed this.....

my setup consisted of the provided 18t pinion and a 65t spur. I ran 2 full cycles on my pair of 2c 7.4v 8000mah lipos, and 2 full cycles on my pair of 3s 11.1v 4200mah lipos.

Also, I was not bashing CC in anyway, just upset about the situation. I am sold on your products, as a matter of fact I just purchased 2 more brushless esc/motor combos from towerhobby for my 18T.