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    Setup, a setup is only good for a guide. The most important part in a setup is the accuracy of the setup. By that I mean being able to properly adjust your camber, toe in or out. Eyeballing works, but until you can get it setup perfectly and even (thats the key) on both sides, you will fight the handling of the truck. Yes it will be driveable, but little quirks that you are trying to work out by changing other parts of your setup, may really be symptoms of not being able to fine tune the camber and toe.

    We helped out several racers this weekend by adjusting camber and toe on our setup board, all of them came back and said it was incredible how much more stable their trucks felt, truggies and REVOs.

    It's funny to put a truck on the board and take a first measurement with a camber guage, you always have to ask what they were aiming for in their adjustments, because one side will be -6 degrees camber and 5 degrees toi while the other side is 1 degree camber and 0 degree toe.

    A properly, evenly adjusted truck tracks and turns in or out consistently. When you are setup right and feel the consistency lap after lap, you can litterally feel when something gets out of line on the track.

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    RD Racing which set-up board are you using?

    I was mainly trying to see the wide range of set-ups. I'm trying alot of different things right now just to see if there is something else i might like.

    Also I was hoping that Johnny Ringo and Tim Roberts would post his set-ups.
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    Hey atmo, I didnt mean it to sound like it might have come across, just explaining my feelings on setups because I see people struggling through it alot.

    I use a simple setup board and system that Craig Hamilton came up with. 14" thick, 5" square hardwood block with the hub size of choice drilled exactly in the center bolted onto the axles/hubs. The main board can be anything that is truely flat and has a square front edge. The edges of the blocks are aligned square to the front edge of the board and toe in/oout is measured with an RPM camber gauge by measuring off the front of the board and measuring to the blocks. Camber is measured from the top of the board to the blocks. Ride height front and back should be checked/adjusted first.

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    Congrats On the Pro Series Win this weekend Roy. You Checked Out !
    Thanks For the help You and Craig Did spotting My worn out Crankshaft. I was able to Frankenstien a motor together that Ran pretty good and got me through the weekend. To rich In the Main, But rather be rich and Finish the whole Main then risk pushing it to much. Hope I didn't slow ya down any? So many dark trucks and kinda similar Paint Jobs ( they all looked alike to me half the time ), I had a hard time Knowing who was who on the track at times. Was Alot of fun though

    I agree about setups, Last few weeks since Roy and Craig ran at the club race and I saw How a NOVICE Driver Drove Roys Truck. I been taking the time to Really Check and adjust The Toe and Camber alot more often. I dont have a Setup Board, use a guage and some Mock Up Wheels so i dont rely on a racing tire/rim combo that might be a tad bent etc. I had to replace some Rod ends, as I noticed how much settings changed after even One heat and perhaps a bad landing. The Rods stripped Threads on some impacts , some times it was obvious out of line , and sometimes Just a little and You might never Know it without checking somehow. Checking More often has improved My trucks handling alot. even if Its Not the Perfect setup at least it is closer to Balanced and you can feel when it goes out of whack alot eaiser and makes it much easier to Tune into the RIGHT setup for your style driving or track when its at least a fairly balanced setup.

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    Hey guys, do you racers run dual chamber pipes or single chamber?
    Revo 3.3- Golden Horizons Aluminum rear skid plate, Tekno adjustable wing mount, Proline 1/8 High Downforce wing, 45wt shock oil in white/green springs...
    and a backyard to bash it in.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RD Racing
    Hey atmo, I didnt mean it to sound like it might have come across, just explaining my feelings on setups because I see people struggling through it alot.

    I use a simple setup board and system that Craig Hamilton came up with. 14" thick, 5" square hardwood block with the hub size of choice drilled exactly in the center bolted onto the axles/hubs. The main board can be anything that is truely flat and has a square front edge. The edges of the blocks are aligned square to the front edge of the board and toe in/oout is measured with an RPM camber gauge by measuring off the front of the board and measuring to the blocks. Camber is measured from the top of the board to the blocks. Ride height front and back should be checked/adjusted first.
    Hey Roy how's it going. Dave here, I met you at the Red Deer race last winter. I was just wondering if you could post some picture's of set up board.
    I kinda rigged up my own board and was just wondering what yours looks like. I have an idea what you are talking about with your board, but, you know the saying "a picture is worth a thousand words."

    Thanks Dave.

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    Congrats Roy on the win!

    I second that on some pics of your board
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    Hey guys i use about the same thing as roy I have a piece of finish grade plywood 21x21 with a 1x1 square strip glued and nailed for a straight edge. I have 4 5x5 plexi glass squares to put on my axles and i use an RPM monster camber guage. This is my first year racing and i have tried many setups. I will tell you it does make a lot of difference. When i started the year i used a basic Slyaden set up and then i changed. Through the year i ran only my local track and in july went to a ARCR state race at a diffrent track and my revo was very hard to drive so the next week was athe last series race at my local track. The result was not much diffrent. I reliazed i needed a new set up. So i made a big change with shock oil,springs,camber,toe. My revo drives much better now. I have not been able to race it yet but in pactice it handles soo much better. This last weekend there was not enough to race so we had a play day and some of the local guy's just back from RC proseries in OKC were there and drove my revo. They said it drove very very good. And don't change a thing. BTW the set up i am using now is a Slyaden setup from a race he run out west. Alot of camber and toe in rear and not alot in frount.
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    question for all you smart guys, need help

    If I were to lock my tranny into second gear(STANDARD RATIO), what clutch bell/spur gear combo would be needed to achieve a middle ground final ratio like truggies use..or probably what the revo single speed will be.

    Any help will be greatly appreciated!!!
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    i totaly agree, a propery and equally balanced set up is very important but i find the revo likes to come out of "tune" very easy. even with new parts. this is what iam trying to combat.

    another company that makes a set up baord is called pmb . im not 100% sure on the name but i think it is that.
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    Never mind, I figured all the ratios, here they are for anyone that cares, also it is in excel so I can email if you like.

    PINION/SPUR RATIOS

    CLUTCH BELL TEETH
    SPUR GEAR TEETH 14 15 16 18 20 22
    36 2.57 2.40 2.25 2.00 1.80 1.64
    38 2.71 2.53 2.38 2.11 1.90 1.73
    40 2.86 2.67 2.50 2.22 2.00 1.82
    54 3.86 3.60 3.38 3.00 2.70 2.45
    56 4.00 3.73 3.50 3.11 2.80 2.55
    58 4.14 3.87 3.63 3.22 2.90 2.64
    ---------------------------------------------------------------------
    TRANNY/DIFF RATIOS

    TRANNY RATIO STANDARD CLOSE WIDE
    2.29 2.5 2.11
    DIFF RATIO 2.85

    TOTAL RATIO 6.53 7.13 6.01
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    FINAL RATIO FOR STD TRANNY GEAR

    CLUTCH BELL TEETH
    SPUR GEAR TEETH 14 15 16 18 20 22
    36 16.78 15.66 14.68 13.05 11.75 10.68
    38 17.71 16.53 15.50 13.78 12.40 11.27
    40 18.65 17.40 16.32 14.50 13.05 11.87
    54 25.17 23.50 22.03 19.58 17.62 16.02
    56 26.11 24.37 22.84 20.30 18.27 16.61
    58 27.04 25.24 23.66 21.03 18.93 17.21
    --------------------------------------------------------------------------
    FINAL RATIO FOR CLOSE TRANNY GEAR
    CLUTCH BELL TEETH
    SPUR GEAR TEETH 14 15 16 18 20 22
    36 18.32 17.10 16.03 14.25 12.83 11.66
    38 19.34 18.05 16.92 15.04 13.54 12.31
    40 20.36 19.00 17.81 15.83 14.25 12.95
    54 27.48 25.65 24.05 21.38 19.24 17.49
    56 28.50 26.60 24.94 22.17 19.95 18.14
    58 29.52 27.55 25.83 22.96 20.66 18.78
    --------------------------------------------------------------------------
    FINAL RATIO FOR WIDE TRANNY GEAR
    CLUTCH BELL TEETH
    SPUR GEAR TEETH 14 15 16 18 20 22
    36 15.46 14.43 13.53 12.03 10.82 9.84
    38 16.32 15.23 14.28 12.70 11.43 10.39
    40 17.18 16.04 15.03 13.36 12.03 10.93
    54 23.19 21.65 20.30 18.04 16.24 14.76
    56 24.05 22.45 21.05 18.71 16.84 15.31
    58 24.91 23.25 21.80 19.38 17.44 15.85
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    **NOTE** The 16-22/54-58 combos are to show possible Jato clutch/spur combos, they must be used together as the tooth pitch is different from Revo
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    another company that makes a set up baord is called pmb . im not 100% sure on the name but i think it is that

    They do I have thought about getting one. Integy and Hudy both make them as well but theres are $50-$70 more.

    Where are the set-ups. Roy what was your set-up last weekend and have you gone to the extended chassis.

    Right now I'm carry 2 sets of shocks with different weight 45k and 70k gold to black. I thought I would try some major changes and tune from there.

    Twisted, Layton, Bigmax arkansas revo can you guys post yours and anybody else.
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    Okie Dokie

    I will get out there and write my latest down this evening and then get it on here. Having in the last few months taken and stretched, big blocked and lightened, I have had to get the help of my friends here on line to make it handle like it did witht he 18 on her. What a difference between the two!

    Still wanting more steering and once I post my layout maybe yall can see something I don't yet.

    No worries, I'm reading and learning from your other Maniacs Daily!

    OH and here is the site of the PMB board.

    http://www.pmbproducts.com/ver2006/home.html
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    50w/tan F&R , 1k-300k-1k, P2's, rods in middle holes, Pythons

    Great for semi smooth twisty track, TONS of off power steering.

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    Hey all,
    Who runs the RD Logic hubs on their Revo. I'm running the RPM ones and I'm not happy at all.

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    Hey Dave, how's it going up there? I will look around on my computer to see if I have some pics, if not I will get some this weekend.

    I bought PMB system, I nearly broke it into a million pieces trying to use it the first time I was so frustrated! It has been sitting on the shelf since then.

    Bob, thanks man! You are welcome for the help and anyone is always welcome to stop by and ask anything.

    atmo, thanks! My setup is exactly the same as it always has been.

    Front:
    Shocks: 40wt, #2 pistons, white springs (stock)
    P2 rockers and pushrods, middle hole on lower a arms
    30K front diff oil
    Front ride height, axles slightly above level. I will adjust this depending on track conditions and steering needed. above level, less mid turn and on power steering, but keeps the nose front bottoming out in rough stuff. Axles level or slightly below level, alot more mid turn and on power steering if needed, but a bit chunky on the rough stuff
    Front Camber: -1 degree
    Toe: .5 degrees toe out each side. I have played with more toe out, good turn in, but gets unstable in the straights at speed
    Caster: 3 clips forward, one back. I never change this.
    Front roll center: upper hinge pin in upper hole

    Rear:
    Shocks: 40wt, #1 pistons, green springs (stock)
    P2 rockers and pushrods, middle hole on lower a arms
    10K rear diff oil
    Rear ride height: rear axles level, I never change this
    Rear camber: -2 degrees
    Rear toe: 2 degrees per side. I have experimented with more and with less on different track conditions and it effected the rest of the setup too much so I leave it at 2 degrees.
    Rear roll center: Upper hinge pin in upper hole

    Chassis: standard length 2.5 REVo chassis (short one) and I run swept back a arms in the farthest position back. I dont not run a center diff, I run a Quickturn, it fits my driving style better than a diff, just a personal choice.

    Also, I run 23mm Wabash narrowed 1/4" on the inside with Panther Pythons. I have tried several different tire combos and this has always been my favorite.

    I run this setup everywhere, I only make small tweaks for different tracks and conditions.
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    Come on atom i can't give you my setup. I might come over to action r/c sometime and bump wheels with you. No just kidding lol. My revo is a short chassis with set back arms 19mm position RPM axle carriers tekno reciver box 30k in ft diff 10k in rear diff standard trans with close ratio 15/38 gears. Ft Suspension +1 1/2 toe out -1 1/2 camber full caster. Rear suspension -2 1/2 toe -2 1/2 camber. I run 50wt all the way around with orange and gold springs. Tekno wing and the rest is in my signature. With this set up one guy who drove my truck this weekend said he thought he could turn faster lap times with my truck than with his. He was in the a main at RCPro series at action. But he is a lot better driver and has a lot more expreince than me. I still keep on trying and get a little better every race
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    Cool!

    Hey RD, Others may know this but I don't. Motor and gearings please.
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    Hey Slaydaddy what Pillow Ball Carriers are you running? I've got the RPM ones and they seem really soft.

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    i may have something set up wrong but does anyone else have prgressive camber in the rear ? my meaning is that when the rear and is pushed down the camber increases.
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    Arkansas revo didn't we race against each other in Siloam Springs I think it was the Arkansas State championships series
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    Hey atmo no the only state race i went to was at russelville. But i did see that you raced at northwest rc. I am going to try to make all the state races next year and maybe go some other places. My home track is www.alisonoffroad.com if you go to that web site i am the orange and white revo on the left.
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    I had fun there up until the computer glitched and knock me and another guy out of the A main. The track owner had just got the computer system and couldn't or wouldn't fix it. Thats why they only had 8 in the A main. It was a long trip home with my buddys.
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    OK I've been running 30f-300c-10r and it pulls hard in the front a little to much will 20 in the rear help it out some I tired the 50f-300c-30r and it just didn't feel right I'm limited to track time until race day that's why I ask you'll.

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    Twisted, there will be some reactive camber, negative, not positive. Camber should always be set at ride height, which I why I say to always adjust ride height first, then camber and toe.

    A couple of things to add to my setup.

    I run a Mugen MBX5 fuel tank, but will be changing it to a Jammin/Ofna tank for the Roar Truck Nats for the added fuel capacity that is allowed.

    Bump steer pivot balls (tall balls on the carriers):
    Front, center pivot ball position
    Rear, lower pivot ball position

    Engine: Traxxas 3.3
    Gearing: 14T clutchbell, 38T spur, Standard Ratio tranny gears

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    Ghostrider I would go up in the center 1st. I have said it before that the CD needs to stay above 400k to be effective and not unload as much. Try going to 500k and then work on the front and rear. Another thing with the associated diff oil, it breaks down quicker around 10-15 tanks and needs to be changed. The kyosho oil seems to last longer
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    New Setup
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    Toe 1.5
    Camber 1.5
    P-1 rockers
    Pushrod inner
    Rollcenter upper
    Caster 2 front 2 rear
    Bump Steer mid low
    60k tan #2

    Rear
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    P-1 inner
    Roll center lower
    reactive mid
    70k tan

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    Pythons/velocitys full offset 1 inch buggy foam glued to the wheel then panther greys overstuffed. i cut back 1 inch off the wheel and cut the 1st bead off both inner and outer of the tire.
    Fuel tank Kyosho ST-R 146cc moved to the middle. Battery mounted on my front body post. double shock retainer clips rear.
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    Well can you tell me how to mix to get 400k which oils to buy I seen the little mixing chart but that all went out the window. I can't get much track time and the 30f-300c-10r I liked pulled alot from the front so I could pull hard out of turns and was thinking of going back to that but with 20r. I tried the 50f-300c-20r but it was like all the power was going to the rear and spinning out on me. I run truggy and buddy and know to thick in the center will push.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RD Racing
    Twisted, there will be some reactive camber, negative, not positive. Camber should always be set at ride height, which I why I say to always adjust ride height first, then camber and toe.

    A couple of things to add to my setup.

    I run a Mugen MBX5 fuel tank, but will be changing it to a Jammin/Ofna tank for the Roar Truck Nats for the added fuel capacity that is allowed.

    Bump steer pivot balls (tall balls on the carriers):
    Front, center pivot ball position
    Rear, lower pivot ball position

    Engine: Traxxas 3.3
    Gearing: 14T clutchbell, 38T spur, Standard Ratio tranny gears
    thanks, i ment reactive, not progressive. (brain fart) is this casued by the roll center position ?and i do set my camber at ride height.
    thanks again for the help.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ghostridar2005
    Well can you tell me how to mix to get 400k which oils to buy I seen the little mixing chart but that all went out the window. I can't get much track time and the 30f-300c-10r I liked pulled alot from the front so I could pull hard out of turns and was thinking of going back to that but with 20r. I tried the 50f-300c-20r but it was like all the power was going to the rear and spinning out on me. I run truggy and buddy and know to thick in the center will push.
    Try this, just put in the 2 closest viscosity and calculate.

    http://www.gesilicones.com/gesilwiza...?SMIDENTITY=NO

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    Holly Molley!

    Atmo, What were the track conditions that you ran that setup on? Talk about travel! Spring collars have to be screwed all the way up just to get the ride height to an acceptable stance. I did write my setup down so that I can go back to it. Still needed mor steering out of mine. But have to give this a try forsure. I will post mine soon.
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    Rutted, blownout,bluegrooved and dusty in spots. This setup I took from some of the Dallas guys. But also I'm running P2 with p1 pushrods in the outer setting. Basically I'm limited my squat in my rear and my up travel in front. Don't run the grps with this unless it's grooved every where. The rear will come around on you. Tim Roberts ran 20-500-7 and had alot of steering but Slaydaddy ran 300-500-100 and his truck looked good. Tim had python clays and slydaddy had CFs MTs but he wanted cut back 40 series so there was some difference there. I ran BTs Mts on full offset. I'm trying out the pythons and ran acouple of tanks with them and there a nice setup. I like what the guys had to say about them. There good at everything but not great at anything so there are no suprises when you run them. I also changed my caster 2-2 it was alittle twitchy at high speeds with my new setup. Number 2 pistons front and back as well.
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    You posted this.
    New Setup
    Front

    Toe 1.5
    Camber 1.5
    P-1 rockers ******
    Pushrod inner *******
    Rollcenter upper
    Caster 2 front 2 rear
    Bump Steer mid low
    60k tan #2

    Rear
    3.0 toe
    camber 1.5
    P-1 inner ********
    Roll center lower
    reactive mid
    70k tan

    Now your saying P2 with P1 push rods in the outer. Front? Rear?

    I'm confused.

    Thanks though!

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    Yes it's close when you go inner to the p2 pushrods but if you go outer it's 2 low. I need to look I might have missed that part. I am going on the farthest from the wheel setting or closest to my rocker
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    Quote Originally Posted by RD Racing
    Ready for action this weekend. New paint and body from Majestic!
    TTT Majestic no longer sells a prepainted body like that for MT?

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    We will not sell a pre-painted body with that scheme since I came up with that scheme just for Roy. We are working on a few painted Revo bodies now, but no date on when we'll be done with em since we are working on new bodies also.

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    Quote Originally Posted by majestic
    We will not sell a pre-painted body with that scheme since I came up with that scheme just for Roy. We are working on a few painted Revo bodies now, but no date on when we'll be done with em since we are working on new bodies also.

    Guess I'll hold off on the CP 2.0 then

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    It looks great. When will you have some new ones painted?

    Hey can you post some instructions on how you can bend your body like you guys did for Steves truck and the side exhaust?


    Roy, where are those pics of your setup box? I'm anxious to see it
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    anyone have any luck with the Response tires? My track will be hardpacked and dusty. Fairly smooth and tight.
    Revo comin through....

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    They hook up pretty good, and wear pretty decent, however you HAVE to tape them, they are pretty thin and will balloon like mad and just blow apart, I have had it happen twice on long straights..I have'nt tried taping, but I believe it will solve the issue.
    Revo, Jato, Kyosho 777sp2.

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