Toyota land crusir vs Toyota seqiavs vs. ford expidishen

[Nitro_Chris]

My dad got a 27 year old series 3 landrover. Who said they always break??

[iLIkEtHeN-StAmPeDe]

Expedition

My mom has it and its sweet. It looks nice and it keeps up with the cars on the hiway. Also it has so much room like a 3rd seat so i can fit 8 people in there.

[*Ru§tler*]

Originally posted by rcboy110
so what are you saying jeeps are less reliable than land rovers? plus you shouldent eaven be talking man your the one that wanted a land rover shell back in the Rustler-Bandit forum.

okay smart A$§ than why do land rovers bust like all the time???????? huh??????? and i wanted a rover body casue my sis loves them and i wuz just thinking if they even have one. And plus Rovers arnt as popular as the jeeps and jeeps are tougher than rovers and Rovers just plainly suk at off road!! nuff said!

[punk_copz]

Ok, i just have to comment on the Land Rover situation...

I have a 1970 Series IIA 88" Land Rover. She does extremely well against the other Land Rovers off road (Defenders, Range Rovers, and especially Discoverys). <<Personally, I love the Defender 90's and I want one wicked bad! >>

But it's not the vehicle, it's the driver! My Rover has a dinky 4 cylinder engine and we (being the Rover and I) can go further than the souped up guys with the V8's and stuff.

As long as you know your vehicle inside and out, how far you can push it, the capabilities of it, and just everything...THEN and only then will you have the best vehicle, whether it be a Land Rover, a Jeep, a Ford, or a Chevy.

well, there are my words of wisdom for whatever it's worth...and yeah, you guys need to learn how to spell!!!!!!

[rcboy110]

Originally posted by *Ru§tler*


okay smart A$§ than why do land rovers bust like all the time???????? huh??????? and i wanted a rover body casue my sis loves them and i wuz just thinking if they even have one. And plus Rovers arnt as popular as the jeeps and jeeps are tougher than rovers and Rovers just plainly suk at off road!! nuff said!

dude dont act like jeeps dont bust down and why did you eaven ask about them making a shell if your sis is the one that liked them. second duh look at the price on the jeep im not sure on the price but i do know you can buy it cheaper than a landrover and have you ever seen a camel trophy event cuz if you havet dont say land rovers suck at offrodaing cuz you dont eaven know.

[He123321]

I agree the rovers do kick butt in those kind of races and you never see any jeeps no where near those kind of races but I am sure some one with no clue will try to prove me wrong.

[*Ru§tler*]

the camel trophy things are like so modifyed u cant call it a rover anymore!
but ...im geting tierd of this......so ill let go on it......

[CChase86]

jeepinator (don't take this as personally directed to you; just comments about the vehicle): say what you will about the Jeep but when Car and Driver describes the on-road feel of one as a "h e l l chamber on wheels" I wouldn't go for it. The Jeep might be great if you live in the country and want to pick up farmer-hicks along the road; but otherwise... Enough said on this topic.

Also, maxxwrencher, I am fairly sure that BMW owns Land Rover, not Ford. However, Ford owns BMW, and BMW hasn't changed at all; so this is for everyone else; even if Ford did own Land Rover (which they don't) it doesn't mean that they have made it "bad".

And as far as Ford's (Fix Or Repair Daily, backwards Dorks Ride On Fords) are concerned; if you don'y mind having a recall per week that will be wrongly blamed on someone else... ie Firestone, and you don't mind a car that gets 12 MPG highway mileage (Expedition, 2 less PG for Excursion) than go right ahead. All I am saying is that a Lamborghini gets that mileage...

I would have to go that Chevy has the most dependable and most powerful line of trucks and SUV's (this is due to the fact that the Chevy and GMC SUV's use truck chassis, whereas Ford puts their SUV's on Taurus chassis). Although Ford may make the most powerful V10, the V8's included with most SUV's dont compare to the Chevy small-block V8's.

And then we get to Dodge; all I see their is a way-to-powerful SUV (Durango) that gets TERRIBLE MPG (about 9 city) with TERRIBLE paint jobs that won't ever get to the standards that even Ford sets for themselves.

And RCBoy, while I don't want to say that I think the Land Rover is the best, by any means; they do fine off-road and the only reason they have reputation of breaking down a lot is because they are usually used on remote desert locations in which it is h e l l on a car and no other would stand up any better.

And how far do you guys think you will be taking this thing off-road; about the farthest "off-road" I've ever seen an SUV is parked in someones driveway.

EDIT: Truxster, you leave me no choice here. Camaro's are the better car; in absolutely every aspect. In every Car and Driver and Road and Track ever published the Camaro won. The fact that Camaro MAY go out of production just proves that the better man may not always win.

[punk_copz]

Originally posted by rcboy110



dude dont act like jeeps dont bust down and why did you eaven ask about them making a shell if your sis is the one that liked them. and have you ever seen a camel trophy event cuz if you havet dont say land rovers suck at offrodaing cuz you dont eaven know.

Ru§tler asked for a shell for me coz I was too lazy to get an account on here....so now that I'm here....do they have any Land Rover shell bodies?

Camel Trophy's are awesome!!!!! And to Ru§tler you are in deeeeeep ****!!! They are modified but they are still 100% LAND ROVER!!!!!! soooo yeah....the Land Rover war continues

[BobR]

[color=orange-red]Long post, but I have to speak my mind.[/color]

Originally posted by CChase86

but when Car and Driver describes the on-road feel of one [Jeep]as a "h e l l chamber on wheels" I wouldn't go for it.

They were speaking about the YJ, which was a very rough vehicle. The new Jeeps are extremely plush, and even the TJ is docile.

Originally posted by CChase86

Also, maxxwrencher, I am fairly sure that BMW owns Land Rover, not Ford.

I hate to disagree again, but Ford does own LR. (They bought them in 1998[?], and Ford.com has a link to it.)

Originally posted by CChase86

and you don't mind a car that gets 12 MPG highway mileage (Expedition, 2 less PG for Excursion) than go right ahead. All I am saying is that a Lamborghini gets that mileage...

Completely, 100% true!

Originally posted by CChase86

(Ford puts their SUV's on Taurus chassis).

Only the Escape. The Expedition is an SUV'd F150, and the Excursion id an F250.

Originally posted by CChase86

And then we get to Dodge; all I see their is a way-to-powerful SUV (Durango) that gets TERRIBLE MPG (about 9 city) with TERRIBLE paint jobs that won't ever get to the standards that even Ford sets for themselves.

Downright wrong. The Durango gets 14 city/19 highway, as rated by the government's EPA, and we always get better mileage than that. Secondly, our 1973 Dodge Charger SE has original paint that looks absolutely new, better than most 2-or-3-year-old cars. And what's wrong with power?

Originally posted by CChase86

And RCBoy, while I don't want to say that I think the Land Rover is the best, by any means; they do fine off-road and the only reason they have reputation of breaking down a lot is because they are usually used on remote desert locations in which it is h e l l on a car and no other would stand up any better.

True. I don't like Land Rover best either, but their reliability is up to par with anything else. Albeit: the '97-'99 Discovery, which had multiple problems (all worked out now).

Originally posted by CChase86

And how far do you guys think you will be taking this thing off-road; about the farthest "off-road" I've ever seen an SUV is parked in someones driveway.

I, too, hate it when people have SUVs for no reason, I call them ego-mobiles. But we do hard-core off-roading in Utah ("non-heavily-modified vehicles impassable" - ha!), tow boats, and carry lots of cargo that need to be inside.

Originally posted by CChase86

The fact that Camaro MAY go out of production just proves that the better man may not always win.

GM only said that the F-platform factoy will close. They may just be built at another plant along side the Aztek/Rendevous (eek!). But if they do in fact get the ax, don't worry, the Camaro/Firebird will be brought back within a few years. Until then, you have the SSR. (Not my type of vehicle, but OK.)

[Nitro Misha]

some one said get a rav 4 but dont they ***
the suspension prety **** my friend had one and it nearly s****ed the ground yeh bmw x5 ar pretty sick i used to have a land cruiser that was good i dont know much about landrovers though.
get my drift j/k lol

[rcboy110]

hey rustler have you seen how much a jeep has to be tricked out befor you can go offroading like i mean rock climbing and stuff it pretty much goes the same way for bothe cars. only eason why im keeping this up is that im sure every one has to back up a car they own and not let it get bad mouthed.

[jeepinator]

Oh man, I thought for sure I could continue ignoring this thread, by alas, I cannot

To CChase, your source is all wrong. My WJ handles and rides very nicely, thank you. In fact, it rides better than most SUV's. Mine is even lifted, with stiffer shocks and it rides nice. But, WHO CARES about ride quality when it is an SUV, unless you plan on not using it for it's intended purpose
That quote quite clearly was not meant for the Grand Cherokee, like BobR mentioned.
If any of you doubt the capabilty of a completely box stock Grand Cherokee come see me. Even before I did some very minor mods (2 inch lift that consists of four hocky puck looking units), my Jeep would take you places that would scare the living **** out of you. I had passengers wanting out. I am dead serious. And I have zero damage of any kind. The Jeep Grand Cherokee is the most capable off road SUV made, bar none. And, I am willing to prove it.
For those of you who do not own one or have even been in one off road, yet sit there making wild accusations, well, you just bore me. Come up to Portland, Oregon and I will scare the pants off you with my yuppiemobile luxury ride.

If you are interested, here is my website. On it are tons of pics and a few movies: http://www.theshreves.com

BTW, the RAV4 is not an SUV. It is a car. It has no attributes that would qualify it as such. No low range (in fact no tranfer case at all !), 4 wheel independent suspension, a torqueless engine, and no towing capacity). It even built from a car chassis. There is no comparison. It fails to meet even the weakest qualification for off road capable. It, in other words, is a completely worthless vehicle. On top of ALL THAT you have to pay the Toyota tax, you know that premium because it says, " Toyota" on it

[SmokeDogg]

Jeepinator, I agree with you. My dad has a 94 Grand Cherokee Laredo with the 318 in it (Jeep geeks can correct me if I'm wrong, but I think it works out to aproximately 318ci), and once he got over the initial fear of off roading it, it proved to be quite capable. However, the "Toyota Tax" isn't all that bad. True, they cost more than they're worth (I like them, but they're overpriced), but on the other hand, the person who buys it from you get's to pay their share of the tax, too. High price, high resale value.

[jeepinator]

Good point, SmokeDogg !

I was being a little overly harsh. Sorry about that
The RAV4 is not completely worthess as a car, only as an SUV ... unless of course SUV stands for Semi Useless Vehicle

[BobR]

Originally posted by rcboy110
hey rustler have you seen how much a jeep has to be tricked out befor you can go offroading like i mean rock climbing and stuff

We have two XJs, and they can drive right over anything that doesn't sc.rape the front bumper. We've driven down rock knobs 2.5ft tall, if you angle the vehicle right, nothing will as much as touch the undercarriage. It's truly unbelieveable what a stock Jeep can do; I'm sure Jeepinator or someone can attest to this too. We've gone up hills in our stock Jeeps that I can't even walk up.

See this? It's Potato Salad Hill, in Moab, UT. It was a struggle for some non-Up Country-package-equipped XJs, but is nothing to a CJ, YJ or TJ. Also, the picture only shows the top 1/3. The bottom 2/3 is a lot steeper and rockier.



I got this off of the JP Magazine site.

[maxxwrencher]

no the small suvs like the bmwx and mercedes and rav4 the suv in them stands for small useless vehicle

[BobR]

Originally posted by SmokeDogg
My dad has a 94 Grand Cherokee Laredo with the 318 in it (Jeep geeks can correct me if I'm wrong, but I think it works out to aproximately 318ci)

Don't worry, we won't need to correct you! You're right. 5.2L x 61ci = 318

[SmokeDogg]

Cool, I knew Chrysler Corp used a 318, but I wasn't sure if it wasn't a little off in this one (like that whacky Ford -- who knew the legendary 5.0 was actually a 4.9? 4942cc I believe). Anyway, another question. What are the different models for the CJ, YJ, TJ, and XJ's? I'm pretty sure the CJ's are the older Jeep's, but are they also the newer Wranglers? I like Jeeps, but I've never owned one so I haven't been properly educated.

[sdworth]

And as far as Ford's (Fix Or Repair Daily, backwards Dorks Ride On Fords) are concerned; if you don'y mind having a recall per week that will be wrongly blamed on someone else... ie Firestone, and you don't mind a car that gets 12 MPG highway mileage (Expedition, 2 less PG for Excursion) than go right ahead. All I am saying is that a Lamborghini gets that mileage...

Right on CChase86! Personally, I don't understand SUV's. About 5% of people who own them actually drive them offroad. As far as I"m concerned, get a wagon. Thay get better gas milege, there cheaper, and more practicle (sorry for the spelling) American cars suck, Chevy Trucks rule.

[BobR]

Originally posted by SmokeDogg
What are the different models for the CJ, YJ, TJ, and XJ's? I'm pretty sure the CJ's are the older Jeep's, but are they also the newer Wranglers? I like Jeeps, but I've never owned one so I haven't been properly educated.

CJ: '52 to '86. (Civilian Jeep.) Round headlights (except for export CJ-6; square). CJ-5 was the first CJ, the CJ-7 was the more powerful, smoother second update, and the CJ-8 was a CJ-7 strecthed 11". (7-passenger). Built when Kaiser (then, American Motors) still ran Jeep.

XJ: '84 to '01 Cherokee. RIP '02, rumbley Jeep brother, we will miss you!

YJ: '87 to '96 Wrangler. Completely new replacement for CJ. Square headlights.( )

TJ: '97-present Wrangler. Replacement for YJ. 2.4L I-4 (125 - 150hp), or 4.0L I-6 (190hp).

ZJ: '92 to '98 Grand Cherokee. 4.0L I-6 (190hp), 5.2L (318ci, 225hp) V8, later 5.9L (360ci, 245hp).

WJ: '99 to present Grand Cherokee. 4.0L 1-6 (190hp, soon to be replaced by 210hp 3.7L V6), 4.7L V8 (235hp) or new 4.7L High-output V8 (260hp).

KJ: '02 Liberty. Replacement for beloved Cherokee. 2.4L I4 (150hp), or 3.7L V6 (210hp)

The Grand Wagoneers & early Cherokees had no "J" designation.

Wow, that was a good way to free that absolutely worthless info from the rust of my brain! I needed a break from homework, anyway...

[jeepinator]

BobR, you MUST be a JU member ?

Very nice list !
One edit: ZJ's started in '93

Also there was the DJ, not sure the year, but it is the traditional mail jeeps.
There is the SJ, I think it is called the Grand Wagoneer, I believe ...
What about the MJ ? Was that the truck they made ?

[SmokeDogg]

Dang, didn't expect to get that good of an answer! Thanks guys. Cleared up a lot for me. Anybody want to know the true odds of winning a certain bet in ****s are? I don't know much else, unless you have C-130 hydraulic questions (doesn't come up often).

[JB75901]

jeep liberty all the way baby!!

[SmokeDogg]

Oh yeah, I forgot. C-R-A-P-S.

[CChase86]

I'm not going to continue an argument against two hardcore Jeep fans anymore than I have to. I will say that I have been on some pretty bad stuff in a Chevy truck; and when the people in front of us (in a Jeep) got stuck we even went as far as to drive around them and pull them up the rest of the 600 foot hill.

My major gripe about any SUV is not the quality of the ride (because I firmly believe that off-road capability and a plush ride CAN go hand in hand (case in point T-Maxx)), but of the engine in most Jeep's. My grandfather (long since dead)'s Rambler from 1945 or something like that had THE EXACT SAME ENGINE (with very little modifications done over the years) THAT JEEP STILL PUTS IN THEIR SUV'S.... rotf

[jeepinator]

Originally posted by CChase86
My grandfather (long since dead)'s Rambler from 1945 or something like that had THE EXACT SAME ENGINE (with very little modifications done over the years) THAT JEEP STILL PUTS IN THEIR SUV'S.... rotf

CChase, that is an advantage more than a disadvantage. Why do you suppose it IS the same engine ? I will tell you ... because it kicks ***. The brand new V6 (3.7 liter) that is going in the new Libertys (and soon to replace that I6 you are talking about in the Grand Cherokee), is a torqueless wonder. It gets the same MPH and produces less useable torque. The HP figures are higher for the 3.7 liter, but it is at a MUCH higher RPM. This is no good for off roading, or anything else an SUV would be used for, assuming you are using it for it's intended purpose

I honor your opinion, but you are clearly in the minority. If you actually did any off roading, or owned one yourself, you would not be debating this from the side you are on.

My WJ DOES have a plush ride ! ... and comparing a Jeep to a 1/10 scale RC car is pretty ludicrous. Given actual on the trail experience in my WJ, your opinion would chage. There is no doubt in my mind. It is more capable than any SUV off road, and arguable the most luxurious and best riding on road. IMO, the Jeep Grand Cherokee exceeds the requirements of 99% of it's target market. It usually exceeds the capabilty of my bravery as well.
BTW, a few weeks ago I went EVERYWHERE 2 lifted trucks went. I mean like BUILT lifted trucks. I met them on the trail just randomly and decided to join up with them. They kept saying things on the CB how I was not going to make certain obstacles (just having fun, of course) and to all of our amazement I made every one they did, and then some. All the while listenning to my 10 disc CD changer through my factory Infinity system with the AC on, in my leather 10 way adjustable seats.
These doods were NOT laughing at the end of the day, that much is certain !

[jeepinator]

DJ = The Postal Jeeps.
SJ = Wagoneers.
MJ = Comanches.

[BobR]

Wow! I never knew about the SJ or MJ; thanks for the heads-up. I knew the DJ, but just forgot about it. www.postaljeep.com

[jeepinator]

LOL !
Great site there Bob.
Here is a pic of my mom's DJ:

http://www.theshreves.com/pics/mailjeep.jpg

Man, that thing is quite the clunker !

So, do you post over on the JU forum ?
I got an email saying that you sent me a private message, but none are in there ... weird.

[traxxascow]

JEEPS A THE WAY

[BobR]

Originally posted by jeepinator

I got an email saying that you sent me a private message, but none are in there ... weird.

Strange; I've never had that happen. I'll resend it.

[jeepinator]

Dang !
Same thing !

Just email me at: jeepinator@theshreves.com

Much better form of communications anyway !

[dodgeram]

Get a Sequoia

[Truxter]

YO PEOPLE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

My moms Expedition gets 14-15 in the city and 17-18 MGP ON THE HIGHWWAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

And stop slammin ford, JESUS! THeyre only the best selling single company in the world and they suck. RIIIIIIIIIIIIIIGHT.l.....

YES! people Jeeps go anywhere(almost) But HUmmers ARE better. Put a lil more money into a Jeep, BOOM You got a Hummer in the form of a Jeep.

Oh and Land Rovers are good too, but aging, unfortunately.

Notice how I dont slam Chevy? Or dodge?
.

Escapes and RAV4s CAN off road better than like minivans and sedans, but not much more other than that .

And about my moms Exp., its cool. NOT THE VBEST THING IN THE WORLD, but cool. Once I get it Im gonna supercharge it, cuz the 4.6L's 240 HP isnt HTE BEST THING IN THE WORLD. Neithers the 5.9, or 4.7/5.2, or the 4.7, or the 5.3. SO UHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!! But its a cool car, nice and big, esy to drive, not including that its wheelbase is a little smaller than my dads GT(Stang). ANd yes 18 mpg best recorded. I was like !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Not bad for a FORD is it?

UUUUUUUUUUUUUUUHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[BobR]

Originally posted by Truxter

YES! people Jeeps go anywhere(almost) But HUmmers ARE better. Put a lil more money into a Jeep, BOOM You got a Hummer in the form of a Jeep.

In a recent articles, a JP Magazine conducted a test between a 2001 Jeep TJ and a 2000 AM General Hummer. Yes, you can argue that the editors of the mag are biased, but some drive Hummers themselves and often speak highly of them. The Hummer won the sand and deep-water test, but that's all. The TJ won all other 10 or so tests.

If I can find the article on JP's website, I'll post a link to it.

[jeepinator]

Not only that, on the trails I go on the Hummer quite simply would not fit !
Have you seen how positively HUGE those things are ?
They have a completely cruddy turning radius, a SUPER long wheelbase, and when you leave the trail, they are the worst things on Earth to drive.

If someone GAVE me a hummer I would sell it ASAP.

Hummers are at home and rule the world in places like where Desert Storm took place. In the woods, on tight twisty trails with extreme ruts and tons ogf rocks, the Hummer would utterly fail, and I have seen it.
The Hummer works best where MOST of the country is not. The Hummer is best when you have loads of cash and are in dire need of an image enhancement. The Hummer is big, heavy, slow, and uncomfortable. It is a special application vehicle.
For the millitary it is wonderful, for wheeling where most of the country does it sucks royal ***.

Peace.

[jinxed]

Hey saxxart I think you dad should buck up a little cash and get you "Hukd on foniks"

[Truxter]

Originally posted by jeepinator
Not only that, on the trails I go on the Hummer quite simply would not fit !
Have you seen how positively HUGE those things are ?
They have a completely cruddy turning radius, a SUPER long wheelbase, and when you leave the trail, they are the worst things on Earth to drive.

If someone GAVE me a hummer I would sell it ASAP.

Hummers are at home and rule the world in places like where Desert Storm took place. In the woods, on tight twisty trails with extreme ruts and tons ogf rocks, the Hummer would utterly fail, and I have seen it.
The Hummer works best where MOST of the country is not. The Hummer is best when you have loads of cash and are in dire need of an image enhancement. The Hummer is big, heavy, slow, and uncomfortable. It is a special application vehicle.
For the millitary it is wonderful, for wheeling where most of the country does it sucks royal ***.

Peace.

True, but the military DID use them and not Jeeps right? GOtta hand it to the HUmmer ther...

A kid at my school got a HUMMER And I got to sit in it and all that good stuff. We went over a 5inch tall curb like it was some rut! But lets play fiair, the Jeeps are smaller so they CAN fit in tinier places. A Jeep with a 7 liter Diesel V-10 would be AWSOME!!!!, but the weight dist would be like 999999999.9/.0000000001 F/R.

And yes the interior sucks, way to uncomfy. Definiately "special purpose". Each wheel weighs around 300 lb.s!!!!!!! HEHEHE

See ya!!!

[BobR]

Originally posted by Truxter

True, but the military DID use them and not Jeeps right? GOtta hand it to the HUmmer ther...
...
We went over a 5inch tall curb like it was some rut!

That's not an issue. Hummers are made for military use; TJs are not! It's like saying that since spoons are better for eating soup than forks, so spoons are therefore better for everything. Forks aren't made for soup, and TJs aren't made for carrying troops and AK-47s.
...
A 3cyl 55hp Chevy Metro hatchback can do that.