Buggy wheel/tire setup

[RCDadChicago]

Been doing alot of searching and reading trying to figure out the easiest way to do this, anyone know?

[rustlerbum]

you could try bandit wheels, but the tire selection is pretty small. why do you want such small wheels anyways?

[batjerk]

There're a couple reasons I can think of for using a buggy wheel/tire. Because they're narrower, they're lighter. That means less rotating mass which means you're faster. Second, their narrowness means less rolling resistance. Again, you're faster. This is why road bikes use such narrow tires. They're lighter and have less rolling resistance.

I think in several cases, the tire also has a smaller sidewall which makes the tire's height a small amount shorter than a truck tire. Not sure there's a great deal of advantage there. Other than maybe a slightly lower center of gravity, but then, it is so small as to make it negligible. (At least on my buggy. It has 2.2 wheels, they're just narrower than a truck tire.)

If you find a 2.2 buggy wheel with a hex, instead of a slot, and will fit over the stub axle, it should work. I'd run rears all the way around. Caution: the inside of the wheel may be thinner than the truck wheel requiring spacers for everything to clamp securely. Not only that, buggy wheel offset will remove any front wheel widening you have done (e.g. putting rear arms up front with front wheels all around).

[jtcfanof3]

Hey Mr. Chicago,just get a buggy,thats my opinion.
LOL
If you want less sidewall flex use stiffer foams etc.
If the problem is less rotating mass,the ST/Buggy tires are really not all that much of a diffrence in this area.
If its gearing(although your running the 5800)your ST tires are small enough too gear up a bit compared too M2K's etc.

[RCDadChicago]

I've got a Mayhem...

Would the buggy wheel/tires from a Losi XX work on a pede?

[jtcfanof3]

Originally posted by RCDadChicago
I've got a Mayhem...

I ment 1/10 scale.
I kinda doubt the axle holes are big enough,but you can drill them out,but,the rim is small enough it may just rub on the bearing carriers,escpically on the rear.
Also LOSI and AE dont use Hexs,and that rim may be so inset it will rub on other parts also.
If anything,the bandit rims will be your best match,or do they not use Hexs,I forget,its been so long since I owned a bandit!

[Highlanduh]

Originally posted by jtcfanof3
If anything,the bandit rims will be your best match,or do they not use Hexs[/COLOR]

They don't use hexes, but you could use all Bandit rears without the hexes on the Rustler axles.
There are very few tire choices for Bandit rims, though.

Why do you want to use buggy wheels/tires?
Have you considered using Jato rims/tires?

[RCDadChicago]

I'd like something similar to what my Mayhem uses;

[jtcfanof3]

OK,then try the MAXX wheel conversion,use the MAXX Hexs and get the proline 1/8 rim hex adapters then use 1/8 buggy wheels!
Boy thats alot of work!
http://www2.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bin...&I=LXJGR4&P=ML

[RCDadChicago]

The Maxx conversion? Do you have a link for the maxx hexx adapters?

[razer]

Use HPI Super Nitro wheels with 2.2" buggy tires. I used Kyosho SuperTen GP wheels, but I don't think they're still making them. I don't recall whether they'd need drilled out for a Pede axle or not. Anyway, here's a combo I'd try:

HPI SS Super Nitro wheels
Proline Dirt Hawg Buggy Front/Rear tires

[rustlerbum]

you do realize how silly a 'pede would look with such small tires, right? If you want the relatively narrow look, consider jtcfanof3's idea - 1/8 scale wheels. otherwise it would just look very odd. If you want the tread pattern, there are plenty of truck tires to choose from.

[RCDadChicago]

Actually they are not small. In the picture above the wheel is 4".

[cvecmaxx]

use 1/8th scale buggy wheels.....

if i can find a way, i want to do it, I think it would be awsome

[RCDadChicago]

I guess there is no way to do it.

[E-maxxin_man]

Theirs always a way to do it.
What exactley are you trying to use for tires?
You want Buggy tires on your stampede>
I would just get 4 rear Jato rim's and tires.

[RCDadChicago]

Well if I could do what I wanted I'd like to mount tires/wheels like the one shown below that goes to my Mayhem;



I'll check out the Jato setup.

[razer]

Originally posted by RCDadChicago
Well if I could do what I wanted I'd like to mount tires/wheels like the one shown below that goes to my Mayhem;

The only Pede that I've seen with 1/8 buggy wheels had the center part of a 2.2" truck wheel glued inside the buggy wheel. GREEN MONSTA was the member that did it & he has a pic here.

Inet R/C does make adapters for Clods to run 17mm 1/8 buggy wheels (click here). They go over the stock hex hub though, so I'm not sure if Pede axles are long enough for them to work on a Pede.

[Mirage]

There was a guy who put 1/8 buggy wheels on his RS4 MT on the old maxxtraxx message boards. The hpi mt used the sames wheels as a pede/rustler. The new boards are maxxtraxxusa and dont have the old threads.

So, it is possible to do, but u may need to custom fabricate ur own adapters. i too thought about using buggy wheels a few yrs ago but gave up on the idea.

Maybe FLM can fab up some adapters?

[RCDadChicago]

Well, I called FLM and Maximizer we'll see what happens.

[rustlerbum]

Originally posted by RCDadChicago
Actually they are not small. In the picture above the wheel is 4".

oh, your original plan was to use 1/8 scale wheels, i (and everyone else it seems) thought you were planning to use 1/10 scale wheels. the 1/10 would be to small, but i agree, the 1/8 would look fine.

good luck

[cvecmaxx]

Mirage....i have the same username over at maxxtraxx, do you feel like pming me a link over there?

i really want 1/8 buggy tires, but would you need to do the wide convershion?

[mike5721947]

get some 1/8 rims and go down to the local hardware store with either the rim or a tape measure and find some bolts that the heads fit the hex you need (i think there 3/8 bolts but i cant remember.) then find some washers thatwill fill the larger hole up so you can use the normal stampede wheel nuts.

then you have to cut the heads off the bolts and drill a hole perfectly in the center of the bolt head. and then cut a grove for the axle pin.

you can use other materials like derlin to make the hexes of you wanted, its all up to you.

[rhesus4]

Originally posted by Mirage
There was a guy who put 1/8 buggy wheels on his RS4 MT on the old maxxtraxx message boards. The hpi mt used the sames wheels as a pede/rustler. The new boards are maxxtraxxusa and dont have the old threads.

So, it is possible to do, but u may need to custom fabricate ur own adapters. i too thought about using buggy wheels a few yrs ago but gave up on the idea.

Maybe FLM can fab up some adapters?

That was kraeuterbutter, wasn't it?
Here's a link to the video of the truck:

Edit - Video removed. This is not the RS4 MT forum & since the video did not show how to use the wheels, it really doesn't help at all to watch it. - razer

[RCDadChicago]

That MT is pretty sweet, I wonder how he got the buggy wheels to fit.

[Mirage]

Originally posted by rhesus4

That was kraeuterbutter, wasn't it?
Here's a link to the video of the truck:

Edit - Video removed. This is not the RS4 MT forum & since the video did not show how to use the wheels, it really doesn't help at all to watch it. - razer

Yep, that was the guy. If i remember correctly he used to have a thread that told how he did the conversion. As far as i know, once the boards switched sites due to a hacker/virus or whatever it was... he has not returned, but i may be wrong.

[rhesus4]

Edit - Video removed. This is not the RS4 MT forum & since the video did not show how to use the wheels, it really doesn't help at all to watch it. - razer

Whoops, sorry. Just wanted to show that it is possible to do the wheel conversion (and have it work well) - I didn't mean to step outside the bounds. Cool video though, huh?

Originally posted by RCDadChicago
That MT is pretty sweet, I wonder how he got the buggy wheels to fit.

On the old "purple" maxxtraxx boards, he gave the guys name that he got the adapters from, I think. If I remember correctly, they were a one-off item.
I know that I would buy several sets for my trucks(not just the Pede) if a machine shop were to put these into production. Wouldn't be terribly hard to fab, I wouldn't think.
Maybe I'll send a link to this thread to FLM.

[rhesus4]

Originally posted by rhesus4
Maybe I'll send a link to this thread to FLM.

Link sent! Cross your fingers.

[cvecmaxx]

i would buy a set for under 20.00, after all, you have to buy the wheels and tires too....

[RCDadChicago]

A buddy of mine is offering to make them from either aluminum or lexan. I need to get him more information but I'm beginning to have hope.

I'll keep you guys informed.

[monsterpede13]

awesome! that would be kool to see a pede rolling with buggy tires/rims. Hopefully he gets them made.

[RCDadChicago]

FLM just wrote me, they said their going to start making them!

I just got off the phone with Jamie, he said call Wednesday of next week and you can place your order. He's going to have it where (if I understand him right) it's an adapter where the buggy wheel goes on like it does on a 1/8th scale with the big nut.

[Mirage]

Originally posted by RCDadChicago
FLM just wrote me, they said their going to start making them!

I just got off the phone with Jamie, he said call Wednesday of next week and you can place your order. He's going to have it where (if I understand him right) it's an adapter where the buggy wheel goes on like it does on a 1/8th scale with the big nut.

Order next week already? i would think it would take a little time to develop an adapter......?

[rhesus4]

Yeah, I got an email from FLM also. Looks like good news.
I also asked if they could possibly make them for other vehicles, like the T3. I'm sending Jamie some AE parts, so he can work a design up for those as well.
Seems like a nice guy to work with. Hope it works out!

[Wifeystampede]

I used the pin spikes off my old kyosho field baja beetle. Plus the body and it looks like a buggy somewhat, alot better than the kyosho originally did, i'm thinking of using 1.9s in the front with losi ribs. To give it more of a scale "dune" buggy look.

[RCDadChicago]

I called FLM today, Jamie is not ready to start selling these adapters yet. I'll keep you posted.

[Poohblah]

There IS a 12mm to 17mm (1/8 buggy) adapter, I'll try and dig up the link here....

Ah, here we go, I think these will work.

Go to http://www.inetrc.com/shopping/html/shopping_home.cfm and click on "View all" and go down the list, about 2/3 of the way down is the "Ofna 17mm adapter", p/n CLPR001, which I think will work. (I can't link to the product directly because it is a flash website)

EDIT: Dangit, razer already beat me, and he has a direct link to the product too! (click me)