Fusion makes great batts!!!

[e-maxxermatt]

Today I got my fusion 7 cell batts in... they were only $130 and they came with gorillamaxx batt straps (black ones) When i got the batts i was amazed at how well they were assembled and packaged, i threw them strait on my dyanmite twin peak.. .they are still charging i will write back after i run them, my 1st impression of these batts is very good.

Matthew Goldman

[sevenfoot]

only $130 huh?

[Gregracer9223]

yes, i have those batts and i think they are amazing. I think they are the best 7-cell gp3300 batts you can buy!

[Bjorn]

Consider that those are nearly twice the price of other unmatched 7cell packs. Are they twice as good? No. Are they even 10% better? Probably not.

[MasterG152]

Dang I jumped when I saw this thread. I thought you were gonna say you made a fusion powered truck, lol. If you did, you'd be one rich man.

[enforcer]

Originally posted by Bjorn
Consider that those are nearly twice the price of other unmatched 7cell packs. Are they twice as good? No. Are they even 10% better? Probably not.

How do you figure? Show me where you can get 14 zapped (but not matched) cells for $65?

[Qball]

Originally posted by enforcer


How do you figure? Show me where you can get 14 zapped (but not matched) cells for $65?

I can't show you where to get them for $65 but how about $69.99. I'm sure there quality batteries but I've never purchased a pack from fusion because there outrageously over priced. I've been dealing with promatch for the last year and there customer service is unmatched in my opinion.

http://www.promatchracing.com/miscbatt.htm#EMAXX

[jocktheglide200]

Originally posted by Qball


I can't show you where to get them for $65 but how about $69.99. I'm sure there quality batteries but I've never purchased a pack from fusion because there outrageously over priced. I've been dealing with promatch for the last year and there customer service is unmatched in my opinion.

http://www.promatchracing.com/miscbatt.htm#EMAXX

so if promatch is so good how come RCCA mag did not nominated them as battery matcher of the year? they nominated fusion as their number 1. Also what grade are they at promatch vs the fusion?

[jocktheglide200]

Originally posted by e-maxxermatt
Today I got my fusion 7 cell batts in... they were only $130 and they came with gorillamaxx batt straps (black ones) When i got the batts i was amazed at how well they were assembled and packaged, i threw them strait on my dyanmite twin peak.. .they are still charging i will write back after i run them, my 1st impression of these batts is very good.

Matthew Goldman

anyways good set of batteries I got a good set of them the race grade ones.

[Qball]

Originally posted by jocktheglide200


so if promatch is so good how come RCCA mag did not nominated them as battery matcher of the year? they nominated fusion as their number 1. Also what grade are they at promatch vs the fusion?

My guess is fusion pays more than promatch in advertising costs. You can't tell me that RCCA is an independent tester, every time they do a review on something it's an outstanding car or truck and they tell you you should buy one.

What do you mean by grade?

[e-maxxermatt]

i just got done running these batts and the power is crazy i can do a rolling wheelie in 2nd gear... they charged great on my twin peak on my first run with them i herd the nastiest grinding noise, so i opend the tranny and nothing was wrong so i opend the rear diff and nothing was wrong Hmmmm? well it works great now ecept for i cant keep the front wheels down...\

matthew goldman

[jocktheglide200]

Originally posted by Qball


My guess is fusion pays more than promatch in advertising costs. You can't tell me that RCCA is an independent tester, every time they do a review on something it's an outstanding car or truck and they tell you you should buy one.

What do you mean by grade?

grade as race, club, etc.. they are deteremined by voltage. Fusion does not advertise as much as you think I found them by luck on ebay looking for batteries and i won them for 70 bucks the race grade the voltages were for 1.18, gorilla straps, and 14 cell setup. plus 10 to ship I got some race grade battereis for 80 bucks you cant beat that. YES they did improve my run time and speed compared to regular gp3300 non matched and non-zapped. ON the other hand I know ballistic and promatch without a doubt since I seen their advertisements

[rupert]

Don't forget they are all the same cells right? Most all the good matchers will use the same specs too.

Although I am not sold on fusions soldering and heat sink, it is an interesting concept that I would like to see tested.

In conclusion, I think they are very pricey. the gp 3300's have all come way down in price. I am still buying generics cuz I have a different mind set than most about batts and motors. But the gp's are so very close to even the generics now.

[moneybagsfor-rc]

when he said grade, i'm assuming he meant quality or performance.

Consider that those are nearly twice the price of other unmatched 7cell packs. Are they twice as good? No. Are they even 10% better? Probably not.

Hmmm, i'm judging based on the use of the word 'probably' that you have never owned a fusion battery...

You must know the product before you try to take it down. Inductive reasoning is a good thing, but saying that they are not 10% better is unclaimed remark unless you can support that with facts to appeal to the logos (no thats not an insult!!). The thing about fusion is that they use a super quick, low heat soldering process that reduces the ohms and increases battery life. Thats why they outperform. They also no how to match very well.

I'm also curious if you were serous about the twice the price should equel twice as good thing. No offense but that is a very narrow minded remark. Since when does twice the price mean twice as good? Buying a e maxx for $600 (with batts charger etc.) doesn't go 10 times as fast as a 60 dollar radio shack vehicle. Buying a $600 emaxx doesn't go 6 times as fast of a $100 radio shack car. Buying a 1 million dollar enzo still doesn't go as fast as a scaled e maxx.

I know you want to support the brand of batteries you own, as i am doing as i speak, but don't try and take down the company

[too slow monroe]

The only way to judge a battery is by a quantitative means: Measurements of one versus the other with the same operating conditions.

One would need to take a Fusion pack and a no-name pack, charge them the same, discharging the same and measuring the acutal power allowed would be the only true measurement of a battery.

Fusion does have some different thoughts when it comes to the construction of the battery...but remember, after a few runs, it's all about the maintenance...it doesn't matter who zapped, matched, assembled or whatever if they are not taken care of.

I've sold some of my best packs to local racers and I've got them back for maintenance at the end of the season: There were some pretty noticeable differences from the two, and it really boiled down to who had a good charger and took care of the batts and the one that used a less-expensive charger and tended to overcharge them.

Too Slow

[Bjorn]

I do not believe ProMatchRacings (or TooSlowMonroes, etc) batteries are all that superior to Fusion. I am quite certain they all make very good packs from very good cells.
The maximum difference from the worst pack to the best is less then 10%, assuming the using similar construction methods and similar cells). That 1-9% difference matters to hard core (sponsored) racers. It will not matter a bit to the weekend racer or basher.
A GP3300 is a GP3300. The difference between a deans bar and fusion bars are important only to those that need to write advertising copy. Fusion spends alot more on advertising, and so must recover that cost in their price.
What matters is runtime, voltage, resistance and durabilty. For those factors, any quality battery company will do.
There is no voodoo here. It is simple. There is no doubt that fusion builds some very very good packs, do not delude yourself into thinking that they are something more then they are.

Check the prices on Promatchracing.com, you can get a pair of 7cell packs beginning at 70 bucks. Are those particular cells are not their top of the line, but even so the top of the line is of no interest to those who can do that math. I do have matched cells. I also have unmatched cells. I have 7cell packs and 6 cell packs. I've got maybe 26 packs altogether. After you've been doing this for a while you just seem to end up with all sorts of stuff. Also I like to run non-stop for over an hour with at least 3 trucks going. I have tried the various packs back to back and compared them side by side (in different trucks).

Moneybags-rc
Why don't you take the time to try some of these yourself since you have so much money. You might be surprised at what you learn. Despite your enthusiasm for spending money on RCs, you might enjoy spending on other things as well.

There is a thing called point of diminishing returns. There is a certain minimal level of battery packs needed to make the EMaxx fun to drive (in my opinion). This rules out most bargin packs, such as Venom racing. I didn't just leap to that conclusion, I tried them and was very displeased with the product. Similarly I tried some of the more exotic battery packs. I have packs costing as much as 110 each (a gift). The fancy packs remain my best, but the difference was and remains rather trivial. I count them as a better purchase then my AL skids, but not by much.

[Bjorn]

Originally posted by moneybagsfor-rc
I know you want to support the brand of batteries you own, as i am doing as i speak, but don't try and take down the company

That has got to be one of the dumbest things I've read in while.
You should never just do what you are doing, which is a knee jerk defense of some item you bought.
Try look at things with a more scientific mindset. Just because you bought it doesn't make it special. I know you're smart enough to do this, if you care to bother.
It seems you missed this, but I never mention any brands when I am talking about batteries I own. The qualitative differences between the brands is too trivial to matter. I have tried most, but not all the brands at one time or another. Some are better then others, but even the better ones are not unique. They all use the same parts and the same process. I've got good Ballistic Batt, PMR and others. My best pack happens to be PMR, but I do not do their advertising for them. I seldom if ever even reccommend them.
I own several differnt types of shocks, wheels, rims, batteries too. And I never defend any of them. And when I critize something I am not "trying to take down the company". If something isn't worth it, it isn't worth it. And it's not trying to take down the company to point out that comparible products are far cheaper.
I've done the same with sports cars. Before I got married I owned and club-raced 8 different cars (914/6, 911-c4, m3, 968, rx7, Talon-TSI, etc). I never defended them when someone claimed that a ferrari was faster. After all, talks cheap, lets race.

The same is true of RC parts. The proof is in the pudding, as they say. Batteries have some very basic charateristics. These can all be quantitively measured.

[moneybagsfor-rc]

Originally posted by Bjorn
Moneybags-rc
Why don't you take the time to try some of these yourself since you have so much money. You might be surprised at what you learn. Despite your enthusiasm for spending money on RCs, you might enjoy spending on other things as well.

I will put a set on my list
And i buy alot of stuff in other hobbies/necessities than rc

sorry to make you an angry scottsman

ps. can you link me to where you found the 10% factor?

[sevenfoot]

Batts are batts when you start talking about good matchers. When you buy unmatched packs from good matchers then it doesn't matter in my book. Unmatched = unmatched.

[Bjorn]

Originally posted by moneybagsfor-rc

I will put a set on my list
And i buy alot of stuff in other hobbies/necessities than rc

sorry to make you an angry scottsman

ps. can you link me to where you found the 10% factor?

I over reacted also. 7foot set me straight. I've read LOTS of things dumber then brand loyalty.

The 10% was an estimation by me.

Compare the voltage, resistance and runtimes between the top of the line matched packs with the same quality type of packs but with lesser numbers. The difference is typically around 5-6% from the top to the bottom; I used less then 10 just to be safe and avoid exageration.

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ps: I'm not scottish.