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freeriding
07-13-2009, 11:51 AM
Let's see if we can summarize what we know about aluminum gear cases (prices are estimates). Please feel free to comment on your experiences to help fill in the list.

REM - (http://www.racersedgemachine.com/E-Rustler.html)$70:
Pro: Stock wheelie bar
Con: Needs 3mm screws and slight grinding to make it fit.

FLM - (http://www.rcpitlane.com/RCStore/erustlerflm.htm)$55
Pro: Flat plate design allows many heat sink options. Toe in options. Good quality. Stock wheelie bar with extra part (FLM20700). Sealed case.
Con: Chassis mod to fit.

GH Racing (http://www.ghhobby.com/proddetail.php?prod=2599&cat=25) - $40:
Pro: Flat plate design allows many heat sink options.
Con: ?

Integy (http://www.integy.com/st_prod.html?p_prodid=5336&p_catid=109) - $35-$40:
Pro: Flat plate design allows many heat sink options. Gears fit.
Con: Weak screws.

HR Hot Racing (http://www.hot-racing.com/index.cgi?partnumber=TE1206&c=72) - $68:
Pro: Flat plate design allows many heat sink options. Not sealed.
Con: ?

New Era ( http://www.neweramodels.com/item.cgi?session_id=&part_id=9105) - $65:
Pro: Stock wheelie bar. Sealed case.
Con: ?

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partajeesus
07-13-2009, 12:02 PM
Integy (http://www.integy.com/st_prod.html?p_prodid=5336&p_catid=109) - $35-$40:
Pro: Flat plate design allows many heat sink options.
cheap.
all the gears fit perfectly.

Con: weak screws included. one of the screws that attaches shock tower to tranny case broke in half and i dont even jump my pede.
it had few roll overs and the screw snapped.

it also has the hole at the bottom like the stock tranny case.
i personally dont see this as a con.

Dadx2mj
07-13-2009, 12:04 PM
FLM CON: Chassis needs to be modified to fit

NEW ERA: Is not a flat plate design, the case retains the motor shroud limiting the use of a heat sink

INTEGY CON: Is not a sealed case, retains large hole in bottom of case like a stock case.

freeriding
07-13-2009, 12:12 PM
Thanks for the feedback!

I hesitate to list the hole as a con since that is part of the Traxxas original design, which is to allow application of grease without disassembly of the case (I assume).

CU_Jays
07-13-2009, 12:39 PM
I recently got a 3s lipo and temps went way up, so Im looking for an aluminum case to bring the temps in line. My questions is, what about wheelie bar mounting. Im a fan of the traxxas wheelie bar because of the adjustablility. I know the traxxas wheelie bar is a direct fit to the New Era case and as far as I know the FLM requires a $10 adapter.

Dadx2mj
07-13-2009, 12:50 PM
I recently got a 3s lipo and temps went way up, so Im looking for an aluminum case to bring the temps in line. My questions is, what about wheelie bar mounting. Im a fan of the traxxas wheelie bar because of the adjustablility. I know the traxxas wheelie bar is a direct fit to the New Era case and as far as I know the FLM requires a $10 adapter.

The Traxxas wheelie bar should bolt right up to the New Era and REM case. The FLM will need the extra piece or you can make your own. I used the stock case and cut the part that is missing out of it and added a couple of 4mm nuts as spacers and made my owns and it works really well.

I think just about all the aluminum cases are a great upgrade and you wont go too far wrong with any of them. I am still partial to the FLM because of the high build quallity, outstanding warranty, and replaceable arm mounts that add rear toe in. Just my opinion but the FLM was the original and I think still the best.

rustytraxx
07-13-2009, 01:42 PM
The Traxxas wheelie bar should bolt right up to the New Era and REM case. The FLM will need the extra piece or you can make your own. I used the stock case and cut the part that is missing out of it and added a couple of 4mm nuts as spacers and made my owns and it works really well.

I think just about all the aluminum cases are a great upgrade and you wont go too far wrong with any of them. I am still partial to the FLM because of the high build quallity, outstanding warranty, and replaceable arm mounts that add rear toe in. Just my opinion but the FLM was the original and I think still the best.
And it runs even if you have a bent "extra Piece"....LOL:p

freeriding
07-13-2009, 02:04 PM
REM - (http://www.racersedgemachine.com/E-Rustler.html)$70:
Pro: Stock wheelie bar
Con: ?

FLM - (http://www.rcpitlane.com/RCStore/erustlerflm.htm)$55
Pro: Flat plate design allows many heat sink options. Toe in options. Good quality. Stock wheelie bar with extra part (FLM20700). Sealed case.
Con: Chassis mod to fit.

GH Racing (http://www.ghhobby.com/proddetail.php?prod=2599&cat=25) - $40:
Pro: Flat plate design allows many heat sink options.
Con: ?

Integy (http://www.integy.com/st_prod.html?p_prodid=5336&p_catid=109) - $35-$40:
Pro: Flat plate design allows many heat sink options. Gears fit.
Con: Weak screws.

HR Hot Racing (http://www.hot-racing.com/index.cgi?partnumber=TE1206&c=72) - $68:
Pro: Flat plate design allows many heat sink options. Not sealed.
Con: ?

New Era ( http://www.neweramodels.com/item.cgi?session_id=&part_id=9105) - $65:
Pro: Stock wheelie bar. Sealed case.
Con: ?

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SirPsycho
07-13-2009, 02:07 PM
This is great info, but someone has yet to answer the question about the REM case...

Does it mount right up to the FLM chassis?

I'm in the market for one of these to help keep temps down, and to me it's a major plus with the FLM that I can use a heatsink, but I like the REM one due to the fact it appears it would protect the motor more.

So can someone answer, or show pics of the REM case mounted to an FLM chassis?

Dadx2mj
07-13-2009, 02:11 PM
In my opinion both the FLM and REM for that matter all of the tranny cases need additional motor protection. That little shroud that is present on the stock case and many of the aluminum cases just does not offer enough protection to do much good.

The addition of rear toe in is the biggest difference I see among the aftermarket cases.

Foxprogt
07-13-2009, 02:15 PM
Hot racing can be had for 50 shipped.

HR pro: it has a added built on heatsink

HR con: it does not have the screw holes to mount traxxas wheelie bar or slash bumper.

HR does how ever have a new tranny for the slash which also fits rustler/bandits/stampedes that does have the screw holes for the traxxas stuff at the same price as there older one :D

link to newer HR tranny
http://www.hot-racing.com/?partnumber=TE12M01&c=415

link to older HR tranny
http://www.hot-racing.com/?partnumber=TE1206&c=415

freeriding
07-13-2009, 02:19 PM
In my opinion both the FLM and REM for that matter all of the tranny cases need additional motor protection. That little shroud that is present on the stock case and many of the aluminum cases just does not offer enough protection to do much good.

The addition of rear toe in is the biggest difference I see among the aftermarket cases.

For bashing, is the toe-in adjustment worth considering, or is it more for racing? If toe-in is a good thing, why don't the cars have it as a stock setup (meaning, is there a down-side?)

Foxprogt
07-13-2009, 02:30 PM
For bashing, is the toe-in adjustment worth considering, or is it more for racing? If toe-in is a good thing, why don't the cars have it as a stock setup (meaning, is there a down-side?)


down side is it wears down the tires alittle faster....

Dadx2mj
07-13-2009, 02:32 PM
For bashing, is the toe-in adjustment worth considering, or is it more for racing? If toe-in is a good thing, why don't the cars have it as a stock setup (meaning, is there a down-side?)

Rear toe in helps the car a lot whether bashing or racing on pavement or in the dirt. The only down side is the more toe in you have the faster you wear the rear tires. The FLM comes with either 1 or 4, I recommend and use the 1 for most users. The 4 is in my opinion only for serious dedicated race trucks. Why Traxxas has no rear toe in on the stock set up I have no idea.

freeriding
07-13-2009, 02:38 PM
My Rusty has a new mod called "alternating toe-in". Every revolution of the rear tire, the toe-in switches between -1 and +1 degrees (roughly). I find that it makes the rear end much more 'active' and 'responsive'.



(aka. bent stub axle) :D

z-class88
07-13-2009, 03:00 PM
does anyone have pics of the hr tranny on there rustler . the new or old model

ksb51rl
07-13-2009, 03:13 PM
New Era - $65:
Pro: Stock wheelie bar. Sealed case. Replaceable 0 or 4 toe-in arm mounts.
Con: Needs modification (grinding) to fit FLM Stampede chassis.

Hijak
07-13-2009, 03:29 PM
So are we defining the "Sealed" cases as the ones that don't have the tape on the bottom covering that hole?

ksb51rl
07-13-2009, 03:58 PM
So are we defining the "Sealed" cases as the ones that don't have the tape on the bottom covering that hole?
Yes. You are having it!

kjgroen
07-13-2009, 05:03 PM
i have flm i like it alot but u also need the wheelie bar mount for it

PMDRACER
07-13-2009, 05:07 PM
In my opinion both the FLM and REM for that matter all of the tranny cases need additional motor protection. That little shroud that is present on the stock case and many of the aluminum cases just does not offer enough protection to do much good.

The addition of rear toe in is the biggest difference I see among the aftermarket cases.

I'm leaning towards the New Era case because of the protection it gives the motor, but they only have 0* and 4* mounts. Does anyone have this case that can tell me if the arm mounts are proprietary to this case, or can Traxxas 1* nitro mounts p/n 2798X, or 1* arm mounts from another trans case manufacturer be used?

Hijak
07-13-2009, 05:14 PM
I got a blue Integy one in the mail. I'm looking forward to getting it.

MitchD
07-13-2009, 06:18 PM
It looks like if you use an RPM wheelie bar the only gearbox that will work using all the screws is the REM.

Dadx2mj
07-13-2009, 06:26 PM
It looks like if you use an RPM wheelie bar the only gearbox that will work using all the screws is the REM.

Really? I swear I feel like I have posted about half a dozen times how I have one mounted up to my FLM case.

MitchD
07-13-2009, 06:39 PM
The RPM wheelie bar mounts with different screw locations. The one I am worried about is the one opposite the top screw that holds on the gear cover.It appears that mounting hole is no longer there even when using the FLM adapter.If I am wrong that would be great, I would then buy the FLM

Dadx2mj
07-13-2009, 06:49 PM
Unless they stopped putting the hole there on the newest models all the holes you need to mount it up on my FLM case. I did not use the FLM spacer/adapter I simply cut the part that was missing off a stock case and used it.

bandit
07-13-2009, 07:32 PM
does anyone have pics of the hr tranny on there rustler . the new or old model

http://i534.photobucket.com/albums/ee348/crushgear64/P1070993.jpg

Zoomad
07-13-2009, 09:28 PM
The Integy case is basic as compared to the FLM or REM cases. Pro: Strong (I know that is a odd thing for integy but it is). Con: Weak screws. Factor in a few bucks for stainless hex screws to replace the crappy supplied ones.

It isn't sealed, but one chunk of electrical tape solves that just like the stocker. For those on a budget, it is a worthwile option. I've flipped, cartwheeled, slammed, wrecked and beat my truck and yet to have even managed to do anything to the integy case. Like the rest, it's a great heatsink too.

rag6
07-13-2009, 10:10 PM
Does any one have a pic of the "new" hr case. I cant see a wheeliebar mount on it?

Foxprogt
07-13-2009, 10:15 PM
Does any one have a pic of the "new" hr case. I cant see a wheeliebar mount on it?


scroll down to the bottom and there are afew pics of it....hard to see the hole but its there. it even comes with spacers as well and you can see the real price of the tranny at 48.88

http://www.hobbyetc.com/cgi-bin/item.cgi?part_id=56899;photo_id=71902#ilikepicture s

BigBlue
07-14-2009, 09:47 AM
The Integy case is basic as compared to the FLM or REM cases. Pro: Strong (I know that is a odd thing for integy but it is). Con: Weak screws. Factor in a few bucks for stainless hex screws to replace the crappy supplied ones.

It isn't sealed, but one chunk of electrical tape solves that just like the stocker. For those on a budget, it is a worthwile option. I've flipped, cartwheeled, slammed, wrecked and beat my truck and yet to have even managed to do anything to the integy case. Like the rest, it's a great heatsink too.
Do you happen to know if I can put the RPM Rear Bumper Mount on that? A buddy bought one for his VXL not realizing it came with a mount already. My XL-5 doesn't have one, but I'm considering going with the Integy case.

Zoomad
07-14-2009, 10:33 PM
On my integy case, you would need to make the mount work with the FLM spacer OR cutting a chunk of the stock case out and using it as a spacer like some have done with the flm case. The other option would be to go for the Integy HD slash trans which is made to be used with the stock slash rear bumper (meaning it has the full motor surround like the stocker and REM case) and the stock VXL wheely bar. Last I checked it's the same price as the original Integy case.

Here's the link to it:

http://www.integy.com/st_prod.html?p_prodid=6481&p_catid=109

freeriding
07-15-2009, 09:43 AM
REM - (http://www.racersedgemachine.com/E-Rustler.html)$70:
Pro: Stock wheelie bar
Con: ?

FLM - (http://www.rcpitlane.com/RCStore/erustlerflm.htm)$55
Pro: Flat plate design allows many heat sink options. Toe in options (1 or 4). Good quality. Stock wheelie bar with extra part (FLM20700). Sealed case.
Con: Chassis mod to fit.

GH Racing (http://www.ghhobby.com/proddetail.php?prod=2599&cat=25) - $40:
Pro: Flat plate design allows many heat sink options.
Con: ?

Integy (http://www.integy.com/st_prod.html?p_prodid=5336&p_catid=109) - $35-$40:
Pro: Flat plate design allows many heat sink options. Gears fit.
Con: Weak screws.
Comments: Slash version appears to have a full surround allowing stock wheelie bar usage.

HR Hot Racing (http://www.hot-racing.com/index.cgi?partnumber=TE1206&c=72) - $68(msrp) to $48.88:
Pro: Flat plate design allows many heat sink options. Not sealed. Built-in heat sinks.
Con: ?
Comments: Slash version appears to have spacers that allow stock wheelie bar to be used.

New Era ( http://www.neweramodels.com/item.cgi?session_id=&part_id=9105) - $65:
Pro: Stock wheelie bar. Sealed case. Replaceable 0 or 4 toe-in arm mounts.
Con: Needs modification (grinding) to fit FLM Stampede chassis.

freeriding
07-15-2009, 10:13 AM
http://i534.photobucket.com/albums/ee348/crushgear64/P1070993.jpg

What kind of fan and heat sink are in this picture?

That's a lot of cooling. I'm wondering what battery and gear setup your using? Looks like it will go fast without worrying about heating up.

ksb51rl
07-15-2009, 10:16 AM
FLM - $55
Pro: Flat plate design allows many heat sink options. Toe in options (1 or 4). Good quality. Stock wheelie bar with extra part (FLM20700). Sealed case. Excellent warranty.
Con: Chassis mod to fit.

freeriding
07-15-2009, 10:46 AM
REM - (http://www.racersedgemachine.com/E-Rustler.html)$70:
Pro: Stock wheelie bar
Con: ?

FLM - (http://www.rcpitlane.com/RCStore/erustlerflm.htm)$55
Pro: Flat plate design allows many heat sink options. Toe in options (1 or 4). Good quality. Stock wheelie bar with extra part (FLM20700). Sealed case. Warranty.
Con: Chassis mod to fit.

GH (Golden Horizons) Racing (http://www.ghhobby.com/proddetail.php?prod=2599&cat=25) - $40:
Pro: Flat plate design allows many heat sink options.
Con: ?

Integy (http://www.integy.com/st_prod.html?p_prodid=5336&p_catid=109) - $35-$40:
Pro: Flat plate design allows many heat sink options. Gears fit.
Con: Weak screws.
Comments: Slash version (http://www.integy.com/st_prod.html?p_prodid=6481&p_catid=109) appears to have a full surround allowing stock wheelie bar usage.

HR Hot Racing (http://www.hot-racing.com/index.cgi?partnumber=TE1206&c=72) - $68(msrp) to $48.88:
Pro: Flat plate design allows many heat sink options. Not sealed. Built-in heat sinks.
Con: ?
Comments: Slash version (http://www.hobbyetc.com/cgi-bin/item.cgi?part_id=56899) appears to have spacers that allow stock wheelie bar to be used.

New Era ( http://www.neweramodels.com/item.cgi?session_id=&part_id=9105) - $65:
Pro: Stock wheelie bar. Sealed case. Replaceable 0 or 4 toe-in arm mounts.
Con: Needs modification (grinding) to fit FLM Stampede chassis.

Foxprogt
07-15-2009, 11:34 AM
What kind of fan and heat sink are in this picture?

That's a lot of cooling. I'm wondering what battery and gear setup your using? Looks like it will go fast without worrying about heating up.


thats the built on heatsink that comes on the hot racing tranny.... thats the older version... the newer version still has a heatsink built on even tho i think its abit ugly compared to this one XP

SirPsycho
07-15-2009, 01:24 PM
where did you find the FLM for $55?

freeriding
07-15-2009, 04:10 PM
where did you find the FLM for $55?

If you click on the link, you'll see the price right there on their website.

freeriding
07-15-2009, 04:12 PM
thats the built on heatsink that comes on the hot racing tranny.... thats the older version... the newer version still has a heatsink built on even tho i think its abit ugly compared to this one XP

I'm asking about the fan and heatsink on the motor, not the one on the gear case. The initials looks somethink like 'LJR'.

Foxprogt
07-15-2009, 08:09 PM
I'm asking about the fan and heatsink on the motor, not the one on the gear case. The initials looks somethink like 'LJR'.


oh im not sure....... it could stand for (yeah racing) ...yes i believe thats what it stands for :)

MitchD
07-16-2009, 08:07 PM
I got the FLM gearbox and I have several observations,
1)the spacer that FLM sells only has the bottom two holes not the third hole you need if you are running the RPM wheelie bar, I fabed up a spacer but I would have preffered the full length spacer.
2)the area around the gear cover is not raised like the original or like the other brands (IE:golden horizon) dirt and rocks are going to get in.
3)the fit and finish is great and the gear mesh is outstanding.
4)It would have been nice for some kind of instructions,I can see how a lot of people would have some difficulties.
5)the arm mounts are interesting, looks like you have the option of increasing the width or keeping the stock width.
6)at least it is made here in the USA.

bottom line is I think I would have been better off waiting for the Golden Horizons gearbox that is also half the cost

Fox
07-17-2009, 12:26 AM
I'm asking about the fan and heatsink on the motor, not the one on the gear case. The initials looks somethink like 'LJR'.


looks like it could be "YR" as well.

dblom11
07-17-2009, 05:12 PM
you need to change the pricing on both of the hr tranny cases to $48. The new style hr tranny case has hardware to mount a stock wheelie bar (as seen in the pictures on ebay)
http://cgi.ebay.com/Traxxas-Rustler-REAR-TRANSMISSION-CASE-SET-TE1206_W0QQitemZ360167567821QQcmdZViewItemQQptZRad io_Control_Parts_Accessories?hash=item53dba8f1cd&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=65%3A12|66%3A2|39%3A1|72%3A1205|293%3A1| 294%3A50

http://cgi.ebay.com/Traxxas-Rustler-Stampede-aluminum-transmission-TE12M01_W0QQitemZ360168091548QQcmdZViewItemQQptZRa dio_Control_Parts_Accessories?hash=item53dbb0ef9c&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=65%3A12|66%3A2|39%3A1|72%3A1205|293%3A1| 294%3A50

i always wonder why everybody forgets about the company golden horizon. I personally have not tried there tranny case but it looks nice
http://www.horizonhobby.com/Products/Default.aspx?ProdID=GHH02599

Shifter
07-18-2009, 12:52 PM
It's been mentioned, if it wasn't out of stock I would have one right now.
50 bucks cdn versus 80-90 is a heck of a deal, not to mention the company is based in the same province as me, and shipping should be uber cheap.
It was supposed to be in stock by now, but it's not yet.. :(

rag6
07-18-2009, 05:57 PM
looks like it could be "YR" as well.
I Think it is "HR" for Hot Racing.

rag6
07-19-2009, 10:32 AM
I ordered my HR "Slash" black trans. Thanks Free, I was going to hold off on the gearbox, but reading this thread helped me make my decision. Good thread.

Fox
07-19-2009, 12:42 PM
I Think it is "HR" for Hot Racing.


well as said before..it could be "YR"... it could mean "Yeah Racing"

Foxprogt
07-19-2009, 03:18 PM
I ordered my HR "Slash" black trans. Thanks Free, I was going to hold off on the gearbox, but reading this thread helped me make my decision. Good thread.


im thinking of getting one too.....let us know how it is when you get it....

dblom11
07-19-2009, 05:43 PM
wow is it really that hard to figure out what brand of heatsink and fan it is. Somebody mentioned yeah racing so, you search yeah racing and what do you know there it is.

http://www.yeahracing.com/catalog/tornado-high-speed-cooling-motor-heat-sink-ya0180-p-2398.html

Hijak
07-19-2009, 07:00 PM
Well I got my Integy case on friday, so I took the old one apart, cleaned all the gears and diff, reinstalled it intp the Integy case and I am impressed. Its so much quieter than the plastic one, and with the traxxas blast heatsink on my Castle 5700 I tested my Rustler out on some 2-3" grass and gravel and I never went over 130F - and that is on one of the hottest days up here.

I'm going to do some more testing to check the temps, but overall, upgrading to an Aluminum gearbox, whichever manufacturer you go with, is probably one of the best upgrades I've done.

bheleu
07-19-2009, 10:19 PM
just wondering if anyone knows what kind of toe is on these trannys. I know that the flm comes in 1 or 4 degrees but what about the others anyone know?

Hijak
07-19-2009, 11:37 PM
just wondering if anyone knows what kind of toe is on these trannys. I know that the flm comes in 1 or 4 degrees but what about the others anyone know?

Integy is 0 i beleive, or whatever stock is

freeriding
07-19-2009, 11:51 PM
I ordered my HR "Slash" black trans. Thanks Free, I was going to hold off on the gearbox, but reading this thread helped me make my decision. Good thread.

Thanks, I'm glad you found it helpful. I'm thinking of getting the same gearbox, the HR "Slash". It's my favorite choice right now. The only thing that is making me pause is the $35 Integy case at my LHS, because I'm a penny-pincher. But the need to buy new screws will probably end up making it cost closer to the same. We'll see.

rag6
07-19-2009, 11:53 PM
just wondering if anyone knows what kind of toe is on these trannys. I know that the flm comes in 1 or 4 degrees but what about the others anyone know?

I believe the hr trans is 0*. I will let you know when it arrives.

freeriding
07-20-2009, 12:03 AM
I believe the hr trans is 0*. I will let you know when it arrives.

I would love to see some pics when you get it assembled!

I'm favoring this one, because it works with the stock wheelie bar, has heat sinks, comes with hex screws, has a flat plate, and is one of the more affordable options.

ksb51rl
07-20-2009, 12:08 AM
... i always wonder why everybody forgets about the company golden horizon. I personally have not tried there tranny case but it looks nice
http://www.horizonhobby.com/Products/Default.aspx?ProdID=GHH02599
Isn't it obvious? It's because they're Canadian. :D

rag6
07-20-2009, 12:33 AM
I would love to see some pics when you get it assembled!

I'm favoring this one, because it works with the stock wheelie bar, has heat sinks, comes with hex screws, has a flat plate, and is one of the more affordable options.

I will do. My camera stinks, but if I get good sunlight, its ok. I am worried that the "spacer" only connects to the motor plate, not the whole trans, and that, in turn, would make the whole assembly weak. Check it out when it gets here hopefully this week. Guy said it ships mon morn.

Hijak
07-20-2009, 08:13 AM
Thanks, I'm glad you found it helpful. I'm thinking of getting the same gearbox, the HR "Slash". It's my favorite choice right now. The only thing that is making me pause is the $35 Integy case at my LHS, because I'm a penny-pincher. But the need to buy new screws will probably end up making it cost closer to the same. We'll see.

Why does everyone hate the philips screws that come with this gearbox? For me they work perfectly

partajeesus
07-20-2009, 08:36 AM
yeah they worked perfectly for me too, until i had few rollovers and flips and one screw snapped in two.
and i never had a screw snap in two pieces.

ksb51rl
07-20-2009, 10:16 AM
Why does everyone hate the philips screws that come with this gearbox? For me they work perfectly
If you built it at the same time as another, different trans case (as I did with a used New Era case) you might not be asking that question. The difference was substantial. Then again, I detest philips screws with a vehemence that borders on fanaticism, so I may not be the best judge.

Gritten
07-20-2009, 11:39 AM
Isn't it obvious? It's because they're Canadian. :D

Why you always pickin' on us man?! Huh!
You can tell everyone, you a closet Canadian lover! :wub:

freeriding
08-31-2009, 11:52 AM
I will do. My camera stinks, but if I get good sunlight, its ok. I am worried that the "spacer" only connects to the motor plate, not the whole trans, and that, in turn, would make the whole assembly weak. Check it out when it gets here hopefully this week. Guy said it ships mon morn.

Rag6, did you ever get any pictures of this?

nosnowjustice
08-31-2009, 12:04 PM
I got an Integy tranny from towerhobbies a few weeks back, and it had all hex hardwear. Just and fyi, the new ones may have been improved.

rag6
08-31-2009, 01:00 PM
I forgot about this thread. Never use a stock wheeliebar setup with this trans. The motor plate will bend in a heartbeat. Just got the swamibar in the mail. As soon as I get off the 12-16hr shifts, I will pull it apart, bend the motor plate back and install the swami.

I will be back in a few with some (prob bad) pics.

rag6
08-31-2009, 01:21 PM
http://i644.photobucket.com/albums/uu165/gizmorc37/bentmotorplate002.jpg
http://i644.photobucket.com/albums/uu165/gizmorc37/bentmotorplate007.jpg

The first pick shows how the motor plate bent on the first run. The way that the setup bolts on, the TRX wheelie bar is a big lever on the plate, and it is not up to the task of resisting that force. I would not use it with a Slash bumper for the same reason. The Swami bar bolts to the bottom of the trans and will be a much more durable mount. In the second pic, I switched the heat sinks to the other side of the plate to clear the HPI wing mount. Other than the stock wheelie bar/ bumper mount issue, I can find no fault with the trans. Dropped temps almost 40*f on install.

Riko
08-31-2009, 01:25 PM
wow, what are those little thingies on the gearboxcover ? LOOKS nice :)

rag6
08-31-2009, 01:32 PM
Those are heat sinks on the motor plate. The one closest to the motor temped at 135, and the motor was at 140. I can not believe how hot those sinks get. Well worth the $50. I was right under 180 with the same gearing, plastic gearbox and 2s after 45 min.

Riko
08-31-2009, 01:39 PM
what is the advantage of a sealed tranny oposted to tranny that is not sealed?

what difference does the sealing factor make?

brushlessbandit
08-31-2009, 01:43 PM
what is the advantage of a sealed tranny oposted to tranny that is not sealed?

what difference does the sealing factor make?
no water, dirt, rocks, or other debris can get in

Riko
08-31-2009, 01:55 PM
no water, dirt, rocks, or other debris can get in

but the unsealed ones have the hole at the bottom? so where the chassis is, so the chassis stands in the way, or am I talking about another hole here...?

http://i644.photobucket.com/albums/uu165/gizmorc37/bentmotorplate002.jpg
like this HR tranny, I suppose that he just uncovered the gears and that the gears do not run naked like that ? :o

Dadx2mj
08-31-2009, 02:00 PM
Regarding the bent HR Racing tranny case that rag6 has. I think it speaks to the difference between the HR and FLM case. I too tried using an RPM mount with Traxxas wheelie bar and Slash bumper for off road use. I literally destroyed two RPM mounts and bent countless pieces of mounting hardware before I gave up on the set up and went back to my Bonzai Bar. Never did the FLM tranny bend at all.

rag6
08-31-2009, 02:04 PM
All you have to do is put tape over the hole. Its not like these sealed tranny's are actually sealed tight with o-ring's anyway. Water will still get in if you submerge it. I have an original gearbox from way back and it never really got any dirt in it without the hole taped. The white lithium was always white when I broke it down for cleaning.

rag6
08-31-2009, 02:13 PM
I would have to agree with dad about the flm case. I think the motor plate is thicker. But the REM case would have more to hold on to. But the moral of the story is the mount itself is a bad design. The mounting system is weak. Doesn't matter if its Traxxas, RPM, or the alum STRC mount I was using, it will be a problem sooner or later. A Swami bar (while not indestructible) will fare much better.

Riko
08-31-2009, 02:16 PM
can anybody post a picture of a loose HR tranny?

their site doesn't show the pics of their trannies....I want to see what an unsealed tranny actually looks like, I still have no idea what you guys really mean with unsealed...

rag6
08-31-2009, 02:22 PM
If you own the traxxas trans, Just look at the bottom of it. You will see the hole.

Foxprogt
08-31-2009, 02:28 PM
Regarding the bent HR Racing tranny case that rag6 has. I think it speaks to the difference between the HR and FLM case. I too tried using an RPM mount with Traxxas wheelie bar and Slash bumper for off road use. I literally destroyed two RPM mounts and bent countless pieces of mounting hardware before I gave up on the set up and went back to my Bonzai Bar. Never did the FLM tranny bend at all.


i can recall 2 times that iv seen post talking about peeps bending there flm trannys. 1 was awhile back and i believe it was vxl rocket that bent his tranny from taking a hit and that was with out any bumper to be uses as leverage.

then theres the more recent with bandit bending his flm tranny in the same manner

"i bent my flm tranny doing that, get a swami or bonzai bar."

link to the thread, 4th post down
http://monster.traxxas.com/showthread.php?t=490142

tho thats a shame it takes a bend that easy.. i was looking forward to picking up that tranny for my slash but ill end up getting the rem tranny for that. as for the hr tranny on my rustler....its still doing great, but i have always used a swami bar tho too :)

Dadx2mj
08-31-2009, 02:35 PM
Foxprogt not saying the FLM cant or wont bend but didn't rag6 say his bent with a slide into a curb at low speed? My FLM is over two years old and been abused a LOT. Plus if it does bend or get damaged FLM will replace it for what amounts to the cost of shipping. It is just my opinion but I think you pay a little more for the FLM but get what you pay for.

Riko
08-31-2009, 02:43 PM
If you own the traxxas trans, Just look at the bottom of it. You will see the hole.


good idea, but I am planning to buy my rustler in a few weeks...

but here I went on searching on ebay http://shop.ebay.com/i.html?_nkw=traxxas+272&_sacat=0&_trksid=p3286.m270.l1313&_dmpt=Radio_Control_Parts_Accessories&_odkw=traxxas+tran&_osacat=0

and on none of the pictures I could find "the hole"...

rag6
08-31-2009, 02:50 PM
Yes it did, But I didn't slide into it. I was running parallel to the curb, It got sideways under acceleration(the dirt hawgs are a little slick on asphalt), and just kissed the curb. I never left off the throttle as it accelerated away, but could clearly see that the wheelie bar was pointing right rear. It was a very light hit. You cannot run the hr box without some sort of motor (and motor plate) protection. If I had a free flm trans and a free hr trans in front of me, and could only pick one, I would get the flm. Their rep for durability speaks for itself.

I will continue to run this trans only with a swami.

Riko
08-31-2009, 03:53 PM
how limited is the REM case in using a heat sink for the motor?

the FLM and REM seem about the same design and yet in the comparison it states that the REM is limited in heatsinks and the FLM is not, how come?

can somebody explain with pictures?

fisheydude
08-31-2009, 09:33 PM
Anyone no how long the Golden Horizon tranny case hasn't been in stock at different places? I was wanting to get one with my last Towerhobbies order but it isn't due in stock until "mid sept". Last time I waited for tower to get something, they kept changing the date for 2 months. I have seen a few other sites out of stock too. It doesn't seem there are to many of you guys who have used it. I hope it's tough.

Foxprogt
08-31-2009, 11:10 PM
now a replacement warrenty i could go for any day! :D i dont know if hr has anything like that but they most likely dont..

so then an hr tranny is only good if you plan to use it with a swami or bonzi bar.

im going for the rem tranny for the slash next time :)

Foxprogt
08-31-2009, 11:29 PM
i can not explain with pics at the moment as i am using my wii to post on here right now but, the rem case is more like an replica of the stock tranny with the shroud that goe around the motor wheres the flm isjust a flat plate and has more room for large heatsinks and fans since it dont have th shroud. pics would be helpful i know bu i just cant do it on the wii X(

73Rusty
09-01-2009, 03:16 AM
Which one would be everones no.1, no.2, etc. I'm going to buy one soon, I can't decide which one. I really like the New Era and the FLM.

Riko
09-02-2009, 04:18 AM
I got the FLM gearbox and I have several observations,

2)the area around the gear cover is not raised like the original or like the other brands (IE:golden horizon) dirt and rocks are going to get in.


can somebody show a picture or something that shows that gap?
cause I thought those flm trannies were sealed...

is three a way to make it 100% sealed

Dadx2mj
09-02-2009, 08:42 AM
can somebody show a picture or something that shows that gap?
cause I thought those flm trannies were sealed...

is three a way to make it 100% sealed

I have no idea what he is talking about. The FLM case is as sealed as any tranny case I have seen. It does not have an o ring or anything but it has no openings and I have nevr had any issue with dirt or debris getting in it with over two years of use.

Riko
09-02-2009, 10:36 AM
lol thx for claring this up

Henry325
09-04-2009, 03:31 PM
I have the Integy case installed, been running it for 6 months and it's simply bullet proof.

cookie88
09-08-2009, 06:34 PM
Sorry for the newbie question... If the listed tranny is NOT a sealed-design, does that mean I can still use the stock (black plastic) tranny cover for it?

rag6
09-09-2009, 02:22 AM
Some people are talking about the gear cover, and some are talking about the bottom of the trans, when it comes to being sealed. Never seen any elec magnum trans with dirt in the internals, but have seen dirt under the exterior gear cover, which is no longer a concern after the 32p spur/pinion mod.

bandit
09-09-2009, 02:35 AM
i bent my flm tranny using just the wheelie bar mount and rom motor protector.

i emailed flm and for $12 they are going to send new mounting hardware and 1 side of the tranny. seems like good warranty.

Foxprogt
09-09-2009, 10:58 AM
that must have been one heck of a hard hit.... 12s not bad for them replacement parts tho

bandit
09-09-2009, 05:23 PM
wasnt a hard hit. landed like a 2 foot high jump on the back.

Foxprogt
09-09-2009, 05:47 PM
it sounds like any kind of wheelie bar or rear protector that attaches to the tranny might not be a good idea. iv landed on my rear end allot with my hr tranny but the swami bar took all of the shock and nothings ever happend to the tranny

freeriding
12-26-2009, 02:34 PM
I went with the Hot Racing, Slash version.

Main reasons were that it looks cool, has heat sinks, fits the stock wheelie bar, has a flat motor mount surface (eliminates the dirt gaps in the stock plastic case, and helps transfer maximum heat), and it was one of the most affordable options.

Here's the before and after pictures:

Before(my pathetic attempt at thermal management)

http://lh5.ggpht.com/_f_W2t7sM938/SzZsk4K3wiI/AAAAAAAADPI/M0-6LkWrJG0/s800/IMG_5349.JPG


After:

http://lh5.ggpht.com/_f_W2t7sM938/SzZsxj90HYI/AAAAAAAADQQ/QOKKP9TiQVQ/s800/IMG_5354.JPG

http://lh4.ggpht.com/_f_W2t7sM938/SzZsv8Vq__I/AAAAAAAADPU/96eScIz6tOw/s800/IMG_5352.JPG

This is the TE12M01 case from Hot Racing, which works on the Slash, Rustler and the Stampede.

I had no problems at all putting this transmission together, and no problems fitting it on the Rustler's stock chassis. All the screws were there, all the holes lined up, no modification were needed.

This has solved all my thermal problems so far (as Dadx2mj has been preaching for years...you were right!!). I'm looking forward to pushing my gearing lower to get more speed and performance without overheating.

vtek
02-15-2010, 03:46 AM
sooooooooooooooooooooo ist there a problem running an integy with a stock traxxas wheelie bar??? or will the gearbox break??

TAT2
03-10-2010, 12:47 PM
I don't think anyone has mentioned this one yet, but here's another:
http://www.venom-group.com/mmVENOMGROUP/Images/VEN-4137GM-Actual.jpg
It's a Venom case. $49.99
"Venoms new Aluminum Gear Box. CNC Machined from High Grade Aluminum, this Gear Box not only looks incredible, they will protect the drive train of your Slash. Available in three great looking colors to personalize your Slash."
Fwiw...

freeriding
03-10-2010, 01:03 PM
Looks exactly like the Hot Racing version (without heat sinks). I bet Venom is just buying from HR, and re-labeling it.

Even the spacers and screws are the same for the wheelie bar attachment.

digi
03-10-2010, 01:36 PM
Looks exactly like the Hot Racing version (without heat sinks). I bet Venom is just buying from HR, and re-labeling it.

Even the spacers and screws are the same for the wheelie bar attachment.


I noticed that too, I have the blue Hot Racing transmission case, and it is identical, except for the motor plate, and the missing heat sink of course.

Buzzerbro
03-10-2010, 01:54 PM
Here is my Mini review of the FastLane Machine (FLM) Tranny Case.

Pro's (Listed in my order of importance)
1. Acts as a Heatsink for the motor
2. Provides toe in (in my case, 1 degree)
3. Stronger mounting method for shock tower (uses bolt rather than threading into tranny case)
4. Internal gears fit perfectly
5. Looks nice

Cons (Listed in my order of importance)
1. You must Dremel the chassis to install it.
2. If you use RPM rear arms, you must Dremel them to fit the FLM arm mounts
3. My stock spur gear (83T) touches the RPM gear cover so I must use the stock gear cover.
4. Its difficult to mount the RPM wheelie bar mount to this case.

I highly recommend this case if you are willing to Dremel some stuff to make it fit.

Here are some pics of it fitted.

http://lh6.ggpht.com/_aW48a_vIu2w/S5cpMLSmOoI/AAAAAAAAIBc/_Cigl8s8tmM/s720/DSC02729.JPG

http://lh4.ggpht.com/_aW48a_vIu2w/S5cpU5qpiuI/AAAAAAAAIBo/5QdSuANTc7g/s720/DSC02730.JPG

http://lh5.ggpht.com/_aW48a_vIu2w/S5cpdSLoOOI/AAAAAAAAIBw/d4vUaNYsMcQ/s720/DSC02731.JPG

http://lh5.ggpht.com/_aW48a_vIu2w/S5cpmf5EZ9I/AAAAAAAAIB4/uh4uhY4CD2E/s720/DSC02732.JPG

http://lh6.ggpht.com/_aW48a_vIu2w/S5cpvqYMcrI/AAAAAAAAICE/zmR2mrQlwKA/s720/DSC02733.JPG

fastman
03-24-2010, 06:31 PM
Here is my Mini review of the FastLane Machine (FLM) Tranny Case.

Pro's (Listed in my order of importance)
1. Acts as a Heatsink for the motor
2. Provides toe in (in my case, 1 degree)
3. Stronger mounting method for shock tower (uses bolt rather than threading into tranny case)
4. Internal gears fit perfectly
5. Looks nice

Cons (Listed in my order of importance)
1. You must Dremel the chassis to install it.
2. If you use RPM rear arms, you must Dremel them to fit the FLM arm mounts
3. My stock spur gear (83T) touches the RPM gear cover so I must use the stock gear cover.
4. Its difficult to mount the RPM wheelie bar mount to this case.

I highly recommend this case if you are willing to Dremel some stuff to make it fit.

Here are some pics of it fitted.
What part of the chassis you had to Dremel?
Thanks

Buzzerbro
03-24-2010, 07:12 PM
What part of the chassis you had to Dremel?
Thanks

Unfortunately I don't have a picture of the part I dremeled so I will attempt to describe it.

When the tranny is removed from the chassis, you will see two nubs on the top where the tranny sits. I had to dremel some of that off.

Under the rear shock tower, there is a section of the wall that must be shaved in a bit.

I know pics would help but I don't have any.

Chet
03-29-2010, 04:34 PM
Unfortunately I don't have a picture of the part I dremeled so I will attempt to describe it.

When the tranny is removed from the chassis, you will see two nubs on the top where the tranny sits. I had to dremel some of that off.

Under the rear shock tower, there is a section of the wall that must be shaved in a bit.

I know pics would help but I don't have any.

These nubs?
http://i913.photobucket.com/albums/ac333/chet_vxl/RC/nubs.jpg

Buzzerbro
03-30-2010, 05:26 PM
Thanks for the pic. I added to it and the areas in red need to get shaved down to install the FLM tranny.

http://i970.photobucket.com/albums/ae190/buzzerbro/nubs2.jpg

pavmentsurfer
05-20-2010, 09:54 AM
I just installed the hot racing tranny on my Slash MT. I went the HR tranny because of the extra heat sinks on the top (as arguable as their effectiveness might be) and because it was a flat plate design. I also like the price ($50 shipped new, from e-bay)
The case itself went together perfectly. All the bearings fit very tight with no slop. All the threads were perfect. I took the case completely apart (including the heat sinks) and blue loctited everything as I went.
I had a small issue with the rear slipper plate rubbing the aluminum motor mount plate and had to shave it down a TINY bit with my dremel. No big deal.
I also dont like that the lower gear cover bolt is also a tranny case bolt. Meaning it is one of the points where the tranny is held together. This means whenever I take the gear cover off I have to remove this long bolt. Not a big issue, but really the only think I didnt like. Otherwise, it bolted up perfectly with no issues what so ever. I have pics ill post tonight. For the money, this is an EXCELLENT choice.

Dadx2mj
05-20-2010, 10:02 AM
Otherwise, it bolted up perfectly with no issues what so ever.

How can you say that when you had to take a Dremel to it and shave it down for the slipper plate to clear? It may not be a big deal to you to do it but to me that is an issue.

freeriding
05-20-2010, 10:16 AM
My HR tranny (TE12M01 (http://www.hot-racing.com/index.cgi?partnumber=TE12M01;c=415)) required no dremeling for the slipper plate or anything else.

http://lh4.ggpht.com/_f_W2t7sM938/S7aDBlXz-3I/AAAAAAAADhM/hm0Tkte7Zvg/s800/IMG_2299.JPG


edit: Actually, now that I look at the picture again, I remember that in order to put the swami bar on the car, I had to file down a smidgen of the lower gear cover screw hole, so that the Swami bar was perfectly flat.

In fact, I could have just as easily dremeled a small divot in the swami bar, and not touched the HR tranny.

pavmentsurfer
05-20-2010, 07:11 PM
Great post dad... very helpful. I said it BOLTED UP with no issues. Which is true. Ive read a few posts about tranny cases that required dremmeling of the chassis or other parts to fit. This one didnt. I listed the issues I DID have.
Heres some pics of my case and install. I dont have a pic of the area I dremmeled... but it wasent a big issue. Took 5 minutes.
http://i844.photobucket.com/albums/ab7/pavmentsurfer/Slash%20MT%20Build/P5190497.jpg
http://i844.photobucket.com/albums/ab7/pavmentsurfer/Slash%20MT%20Build/P5190498.jpg
http://i844.photobucket.com/albums/ab7/pavmentsurfer/Slash%20MT%20Build/P5190499.jpg
http://i844.photobucket.com/albums/ab7/pavmentsurfer/Slash%20MT%20Build/P5190500.jpg
http://i844.photobucket.com/albums/ab7/pavmentsurfer/Slash%20MT%20Build/P5200502.jpg
http://i844.photobucket.com/albums/ab7/pavmentsurfer/Slash%20MT%20Build/P5200503.jpg

Grizzmaxx
10-01-2010, 04:03 AM
Just thought I would add this link
http://monster.traxxas.com/showthread.php?t=515990&highlight=aluminum+thread
There is some usefull info there as well.

castorriv
10-02-2010, 01:54 AM
I didn't see this mentioned anywhere but the FLM now comes with the motor guard included.