competition Jato

[steiner9]

First off, I must say the Jato looks very nice, im glad to see traxxas continue to push the envelope on RC design.

My question is this: Will the jato be a race worthy competitor against say a xxx-nt, or RC10 GT?

I know that in order to be race legal you would have to install a small block, or race in a jato only class. I would just love to see associated and losi cars struggle to keep up with a jato, as I think the RC racing scene needs to be shook up a bit.;)

let me know what you guys think:
steiner9:)

[rcsammy]

i think that after being made race legal it would be about the same
but i think it would cost quite a bit less

[moparpede]

Personally, I think Traxxas is starting to come out of the "basher" oriented cars and going more into the racing scene. I think that Traxxas may start to be known for their cars again.

MoparPede:confused:

[Maxx2.5Cruiser]

There is this on the Jato: Acc. Graph (http://www.traxxas.com/products/nitro/jato/images/Jato-acceleration-graph-LG.jpg)
I think it will be able to beat most out there and when the after market come out i think it also will be a good basher also, but will have some really good speed.

[sonandad]

Yes i think the Jato will beat most other cars. But MAXX2.5 you got to read the small print. The trucks are run at maxium lean settings and all use the traxxas 20% top fuel, and were broken in according to the manfacture's books ( straight from link at bottem ok Jato page: *about are speed results ).

[72'dolphins]

Originally posted by sonandad
Yes i think the Jato will beat most other cars. But MAXX2.5 you got to read the small print. The trucks are run at maxium lean settings and all use the traxxas 20% top fuel, and were broken in according to the manfacture's books ( straight from link at bottem ok Jato page: *about are speed results ). And....????

Once you take out the 2-speed, then lets look at the chart again.

[Maxx2.5Cruiser]

O I never even seen that thanks for that! So that is all the way leaned out or what?

[moparpede]

Originally posted by 72'dolphins

Once you take out the 2-speed, then lets look at the chart again.

Thats a good point! Some of those have single-speed transmissions.

MoparPede:confused:

[sonandad]

traxxas leans out of all of there cars for the videos and for stats like that because it give them the best proformance.

[Maxx2.5Cruiser]

It makes sense though.

[72'dolphins]

Originally posted by moparpede


Thats a good point! Some of those have single-speed transmissions.

MoparPede:confused: Not some, all but the JATO.

[Unbreakable207]

You guys talking about top speed? A two speed will not improve top speed a whole lot. Maybe for the jato, hmmmm 7mph? It's all for acel., I still think the jato will whip the other cars in acel. due to the 2.5 engine.

[72'dolphins]

Originally posted by Unbreakable207
You guys talking about top speed? A two speed will not improve top speed a whole lot. Maybe for the jato, hmmmm 7mph? It's all for acel., I still think the jato will whip the other cars in acel. due to the 2.5 engine. So take out the 2.5 and put in a ROAR legal .12. And racing .12's (NovaRossi/Mugen) will get you a lot more speed than the 2.5 could.

[RustlerMan2.5]

Originally posted by 72'dolphins
So take out the 2.5 and put in a ROAR legal .12. And racing .12's (NovaRossi/Mugen) will get you a lot more speed than the 2.5 could.


I was just about to say that. Comparison of the Jato and those other trucks are simply all RTR trucks. If the Associated had a .21 in an RTR we wouldnt be having this conversation. Its simply comparing apples to oranges. Make every truck identical in motor size, fuel, transmission (no 2 speed) and lets do the test over. I'm looking forward to seeing the Jato on the track. I personally might get one but not untill it beats and keeps beating my Losi.

[RusRacer05]

Originally posted by 72'dolphins
So take out the 2.5 and put in a ROAR legal .12. And racing .12's (NovaRossi/Mugen) will get you a lot more speed than the 2.5 could.

wait is it me or are you bagging on the jato in every post on this thread :confused: what is up? so what if it has a 2 speed, so its not fair now to race others without it? and saying that the 2.5 is not all that good? what is up:( are you saying that other companies are better?

[72'dolphins]

Originally posted by RusRacer05


wait is it me or are you bagging on the jato in every post on this thread :confused: what is up? so what if it has a 2 speed, so its not fair now to race others without it? and saying that the 2.5 is not all that good? what is up:( are you saying that other companies are better? Since this is about ROAR racing, to some of your questions, yes.

Yes, having a 2 speed does make it unfair to race other trucks, as by me(but, more importantly, ROAR).

Again, ROAR. A .15 isn't ROAR legal. And yes, I am saying that NovaRossi and Mugen engines are better than the 2.5. And they should be.

I am saying that I would like to see a new chart, with all the trucks having the same engine, tires, single speed, and have the gearing(both CB/Spur and total) listed.

Two of my posts are stating facts about the 2 speed. The other is saying that once you put in a .12, things will change.

[sonandad]

Why put a .12 when u can put a .18. I think i even saw sum where the they are going to make a big block converson kit.

[72'dolphins]

Originally posted by sonandad
Why put a .12 when u can put a .18. I think i even saw sum where the they are going to make a big block converson kit. To make it ROAR legal.

[sonandad]

ROAR????

[72'dolphins]

ROAR is the sancitioning(sp) body for R/C races.

[RusRacer05]

Just wondering 72, are you planning on gettig a jato? if you are, are you gonna race at a track where they follow ROAR rules? im just wondering not saying you wont, but im gonna race it this summer, and the 4 tracks around me say that its gonna race with all the other nitro ST's. and if traxxas makes a kit;) than it can be made ROAR legal from stock, but right now its not, so either you spend $320ish on it then rip out the 2.5, 2.8 wheels,and 2 speed then buy a .12,2.2's,and a single speed conver. or you just race at a LRT and not at a national, or what ever.

[72'dolphins]

No, I do not plan on getting a JATO. Not because I don't think it will be a great truck, but because at the tracks around me, it will not be racing with any ST's in it's stock form. I plan on getting a different brand ST(kit with a lot of graphite(sp)) and keep it ROAR legal.

[RusRacer05]

:( losi :( so sad.

[littlepuppet]

once i raced a rc10 gt when we were the only people at the track and i would be slow on the turns but i would smoke him on the stright aways and his rc10 was hop upt to the max, and mine was completly stock except that i had some dirt hawgs and still kept up with him,

dont know if anyone asked this but what is ROAR

[N80]

"Racing" can mean a lot of things to a lot of people. It might mean racing against your friend down the street, it might mean club racing at the local track or it might mean racing in ROAR sanctioned points races.

ROAR is a sanctioning body. They maintain strict class regulations for race vehicles. In nitro ST racing a .12 motor, single speed tranny and 2.2 tires are required. There are many other qualifications.

Club racing is more of a local level thing. Some will follow strict ROAR regualtions, most will not. For instance our local track will allow .12 or .15 engines, but require a 1 speed tranny.

Racing with your pals is usually anything goes.

Traxxas stats would indicate that on a straight track the Jato and Nitro Rustler are likely to be faster than most other RTR trucks. This doesn't indicate anything significant in terms of real race performance since top speed isn't usually the most important feature.

It remains to be seen if a stock RTR Jato will compete with the stock RTR XXX-NT or RC10GT, all of which come with .15 engines. It will probably hold its own.

For more serious racing, ROAR etc, the test will be the Jato with a ROAR legal .12 vs the Adam Drake Losi and the Factory Team RC10GT given the same engine. I'm guessing, but I think it is doubtful. However, these trucks are 1)kits, 2)outrageously expensive 3)designed for nothing but racing. If Traxxas provides a kit and 3rd party retailers start making racing hop ups for the Jato, then who knows.

But, the fact remains, it is still unknown. This thing might eat Adam Drakes and Factory Teams, who knows? You can't really tell by looking.

[Unbreakable207]

So many of you guys are so critical of the jato when it comes to ROAR's rules. In reality most people bash. If you dont want the 2 speed then chuck it out. Same with the wheels and engine.

[72'dolphins]

Originally posted by Unbreakable207
So many of you guys are so critical of the jato when it comes to ROAR's rules. In reality most people bash. If you dont want the 2 speed then chuck it out. Same with the wheels and engine. And if it was with-in ROAR rules, bashers would be critical of it. They're never going to please everyone.

[RusRacer05]

atleast they are trying;) and doing better and better, with the revo now the jato, whats next?

[Dirt Track]

Originally posted by 72'dolphins
And....????

Once you take out the 2-speed, then lets look at the chart again.
looks like the nitro rustler is in second on that chart with a one speed.....
jato only wieghs a little more the the nitro rusty.
jato should handle alot better though....
still would be nice to see...........
yes I know this thread is old..............

[binaryterror]

Originally posted by 72'dolphins
No, I do not plan on getting a JATO. Not because I don't think it will be a great truck, but because at the tracks around me, it will not be racing with any ST's in it's stock form. I plan on getting a different brand ST(kit with a lot of graphite(sp)) and keep it ROAR legal.

You do know that no other RTR truck has a legal engine?

[KidMaxx]

Well, all I know is I just got my Jato and its awesome. As far as Losi and AE goes, it looks like they would upgrade to a rtr 2 speed and get up to date with everyone else on there engines. Why should Traxxas owners have to do without our awesome luxuries when they (Losi & AE) just need to try to keep up with the JATO!

[72'dolphins]

Originally posted by binaryterror


You do know that no other RTR truck has a legal engine? Yes, I would say that most of that chart is 2.5r power.

I would like to see a chart with all the trucks with-in ROAR restrictions, but know it will never happen.


Well, all I know is I just got my Jato and its awesome. As far as Losi and AE goes, it looks like they would upgrade to a rtr 2 speed and get up to date with everyone else on there engines. Why should Traxxas owners have to do without our awesome luxuries when they (Losi & AE) just need to try to keep up with the JATO! Since they are serious all-out-racing ST's, I'm guessing they would like to keep it as ROAR as they can(and I know about the RTR engines)

[Unbreakable207]

someones feelin negative. Looks like you need to drive a jato. ^_^

[72'dolphins]

Originally posted by Unbreakable207
someones feelin negative. Looks like you need to drive a jato. ^_^ My LHS didn't get any in yet.


I don't know if it's being negative, I'm just saying that there are a lot of things that go into a truck. The speed chart doesn't mean anything with the trucks all in that form, or it doesn't for what I want to see.