50+ mph top speed from your Nitro Stampede

[43CheeriosDodgefan]

if you want to be able to go 50+ mph with your Nitro Stampede order these part #'s from www.towerhobbies.com (http://www.towerhobbies.com) : lp1708 and sa4144. these parts are a 2-speed kit for the duratrax maxium st/mt pro series and the other # is for a 3-shoe clutch. this will bolt on with only minor chasis mods. if you dont have much experiance with hop-ups, dont try to do this because it is a major mod, however, if you have installed a pro-ball diff. this project will be no more difficult good luck

[Crosse8]

You dont happen to have any pics of these mods do you? I have been thinking about this one but i kept trying to use an hpi 2 speed.

[MaxxMann]

What dose the Pro ST top then???

[Steve]

I think this is posted in the wrong section

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[Crosse8]

this mod was done a stock trx 15 pro motor right? ..did the clutchbell fit on it from the ones i have been sizing up the 2 speed clutch bells are to long for the shaft already on the trx15 pro...

[RCManiac87]

Ok,just becauseit is a 2 speed tranny doesnt nessesarily maen it will go 50 MPH.but if you want your pede to go 50 just change the engine and the highest clutch bell that will fit the engine because i know you cant make it go 50 with the traxxas engine only because the clutch bell only goes up to 22 teeth.the you look around for a 48 tooth spur gear take of the slipper clutch and you chould get 50.you might be able to get away with the traxxas engine with a 22 clutch bell gear.you would also have to take of spacers and cut allitle bit of your springs all around just so your pede sits low enough to the ground,the only reason for that is when your at speeds of 50 MPH the air is going to get up beneath the chassis and your going to see the newest type of plane enver made.but you would have to closly watch out for temp. on enginebecause it runs hot anyways and with more to puch its going to get super hot.well happy r/cing maybe someone will find away to make even smaller spur gear to make it do 50 at hardly any throttle,hehehehe

[43CheeriosDodgefan]

ok, heres how it is: the flywheel does fit the traxas engine with no mods at all. the clutch bell will not fit your old flywheel or clutch shoes but this wont matter because you orderd the kit which has the flywheel and you ordered the other part which was the clutch shoes and spring. the way the brakes work is just the same as they work stock. the clutch bell gearing is 15 tooth(1st gear)and 19 tooth(2nd gear). the spur gears are: 52 tooth(1st gear) and 48 tooth (2nd gear). however if you want to keep your stock clutch and flywheel you can order the clutch bell from a nitro 4 tech(part #'s needed: 4844, 4843, 4815(includes both the 15 tooth gear and 19 tooth gears), 4816(includes both 16 and 20 tooth gears)(this is the standard 16 tooth 4 tech first gear piece, if you want the 15 tooth gear order # 4815, so in other words if you order #4815 dont order # 4816 and vice versa). im not sure if the ball bearings you need for this fly wheel are included or not, so ask traxxas when you call. this was done to a stock motor and in the kit it does include the shaft that mounts to the crankshaft which the clutch bell "rides" on. it does not use an e clip though it does use a screw and washer to hold the flywheel and clutch bell on with. well its about 4:30 right now. my digital camera has seemed to of ran away so ill be looking for it and i should be sending pics in a few minutes

[FORD_DragRacer141]

But, it seems like that would requre some major cutting out in the rear to fit in the two speed. Wouldn't it???

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[43CheeriosDodgefan]

well i have the pics just cant figure out how to post them

[43CheeriosDodgefan]

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[poopie]

you have to uplaod it to photopoint.com or something similar

[43CheeriosDodgefan]

thanks ill get those up when i can. oh yeah slight problem with 2-speed, the bearings they supply you with will not fit your differential but once again i have come up with a cheap solution that works pretty well. go down to the hardware store and buy some 30 minute or stronger epoxy. after you fill the holes,let them dry of course, then using a dremel or drill drill out the hole to the appropriate size. of course you could order new bearings but whats the fun in that.......
good luck

[FORD_DragRacer141]

okay, thanks a lot man. Ur info is gonna help me out bigtime!!! Ü



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[FORD_DragRacer141]

Does the T-MAXX flywheel fit with the duratrax 3 shoe cultch if I want to put the 2-speed on my pede


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[43CheeriosDodgefan]

no it will not fit. the traxxas flywheels only have 2 prongs while a three-shoe clutch needs a 3 prong flywheel. this is what is included in the kit: : One 52T spur gear
One 48T spur gear
One clutch bell w/15T and 19T gears pre-installed
One 12T top shaft gear and top shaft
One aluminum inner clutch hub
One flywheel spacer
One clutch nut
One plastic brake disk
Two 5x10mm bearings
Two 5x8mm bearings
One 4mm e-clip
One 7mm e-clip
One 12mm washer
One 3x8mm filister head screw
One 2x6mm socket head screw
IF YOU ARE ORDERING FROM WWW.TOWERHOBBIES.COM,THESE (http://WWW.TOWERHOBBIES.COM,THESE) ARE THE PART NUMBERS YOU WILL NEED:LP1990(DuraTrax 2-Speed Transmission 2WD Maximum),LP1708 (DuraTrax Clutch Shoes(3)(includes spring) MST/MBX). what i dont understand is that traxxas says their bearings are 5x11mm and the duratrax bearings are 5x10mm, now it would seem to me that if they are both the same inner diameter that the drive shaft would fit in the stock bearings which it doesnt, i have come to the conclusion that the Traxxas bearings must have a thicker flange than the Duratrax bearings. i will try to file my bearings with a chainsaw file and then i might be able to fit the stock bearings onto the new driveshaft. in the mean time you can order the parts but you may need to order new parts as well. my advice is wait till tommorow and i will tell you wheather you need more parts than what i have listed.

http://albums.photopoint.com/j/View?u=1473266&a=11087579&p=38643179

[FORD_DragRacer141]

Okay..so will the duratrax maximum flywheel (LXD335 in tower) fit in my pede crankshaft if im using the 3 shoe clutch??

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[43CheeriosDodgefan]

you only need the part #'s i gave you. i dont have my clutch shoes yet. i ordered them from tower and they are supposed to arrive here either monday or tuesday of this week. when they do get here i will give you an instruction manual of sorts incuding pics so all you need to do is print what i sent and you should be good to go.
i will have it all ready in a few days, just wait till then. good luck. here is the pic of the clutchbell installed on the stampedes engine. you should note that it fits perfectly

http://albums.photopoint.com/j/View?u=1473266&a=11087579&p=38643177

[FORD_DragRacer141]

well..I alrealy ordered the 2 partson friday that u told me to get. But if i ordered the 3 shoe clutch it won't fit on the stock flywheel because the flywheel only has 2 pins and the clutch has 3. So don't I have to get a 3 pin flywheel..or does the kit come with one or something?



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[43CheeriosDodgefan]

the flywheel is for a 3 shoe clutch. the 3 clutch shoes are not included in the 2 speed kit. you ordered 3 clutch shoes and clutch spring. you can put those 3 clutch shoes on the flywheel that came in the 2-speed kit. when you get all of this wait till i post instructions and it will all go together. i will have these posted by this wednesday assuming my parts arrive on time. if you have any more questions feel free to ask them but i think i have clarified everything you need to know for now.

[FORD_DragRacer141]

Yeah you really have. Now i get it. Thanks a lot!!



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[FORD_DragRacer141]

Okay...just let me know when you get the parts you need

[FORD_DragRacer141]

Ohh..and your pictures aren't showing up on my computer

[FORD_DragRacer141]

1 more question... what parts will I be able to put on my pede from what I have ordered from tower??

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[43CheeriosDodgefan]

ok send your stuff back. if you do want to put the 2 speed on your truck order the entire rear differential and disc brake assembly from the Duratrax Maximum MT Pro. its gonna cost you over 60$ to get the whole thing. i would order it and put it on my n-pede but i dont have the money for that right now. if you do order it all and it does fit tell me about it.Thanks. oh yeah one more thing this is what youll most likely need :DTXC6720, DTXC7400, DTXC7480, DTXC7550, DTXC7760, DTXC7900, DTXC7950, 3x10mm Self-tapping Screws(4), LXD115, LXD139. good luck and sorry if i caused you all any problems.

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[FORD_DragRacer141]

Well..im still not giving up yet. Can you just do me a favor? Sice the pics didn't show up on the traxxas web site, can you send them to GailH554@aol.com for me so I can get a better idea of what you're telling me. Thanks


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[43CheeriosDodgefan]

ok, it will not work. the only way to get this 2 speed to work would cost you over 60$. the problem is that a machinist would have to machine about .004 of(PICTURED ON THE RIGHT)an inch off of the shaft that drives the rear differential.
http://albums.photopoint.com/j/View?u=1473266&a=11087579&p=38643189

i am working on a solution for this though. i am going to order the entire rear differential assembly from the nitro mt pro and see if that differential case will fit the stock stampede chasis. ill inform you all about how it fits. DO NOT ORDER ANY NEW PARTS TILL THEN.IF YOU HAVE ORDERED FROM TOWERHOBBIES ALREADY, THEY HAVE A 30 DAY RETURN POLICY BUT DO NOT RETURN THEM YET.I WILL HAVE THIS FIGURED OUT WITH PLENTY OF TIME FOR YOU TO RETURN THE PARTS YOU HAVE ORDERED. IF AND WHEN I DO GET THE REAR DIFFERENTIAL TO FIT THE NITRO STAMPEDE I WILL GIVE YOU THOSE PART NUMBERS AND TELL YOU WHAT YOU NEED TO DO TO COMPLETE THE INSTALLATION. JUST BE PATIENT AND I WILL GET THIS SORTED OUT. THANKS

[FORD_DragRacer141]

Hey, i didn't get my parts yet, but do you think that a nitro 4-tec 2 speed will work on my pede??

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[hpiman]

Question?:::Why would you buy a truck if you want speed?Would'nt it be a better idea to get some thing that can handle that kind of speed with out the worry of it flipping mid run and leave you picking up little parts that used to be a nice truck?Call me silly?,but I'de rather spend the loot on a hopped up sedan that will go faster than 50 mph out of the box like the 4 tec nitro pro or hpi's racer sedan than try to change a truck into a car by moddifieing it to heck and back just to have a"fast"truck,I'de much rather have a powerful truck!Just courious?

[1st Gear]

Why didnt ya use the flywheel nut for the 4-tec that would of solved alot of your problems and maybe the whole clutch bell ( depending on tooth difference)ASnd you could of used the 4-tec 2 speed heck I dont know what Im talking about it might of been cheaper?

[43CheeriosDodgefan]

the reason im doing this is i cant aford a ntro 4-tech that can go over 50mph and second of all there are only dirtroads near where i live. a dirt road with gravel would tear apart the n 4-tech plus the 4-tech would get stuck.the stampede is capable of handleing 50 mph speeds. it goes near 40 stock. and about the question of the 4-tech parts possibly being better: the parts that you would need from the 4 tech would cost over $100 and there isnt any way of knowing if those parts would even fit. all the parts in the Duratrax fit with the exception of the top drive shaft. i may be able the have my top shaft machined for a minimal amount of money. the FSU MAGLAB has a machine shop and my science teacher may be able to get me into the machine shop to possibly get the top shaft machined so that it will fit the n-pede. ill let you know how it works out

[FORD_DragRacer141]

hey 43CheeriosDodgefan, guess what? I got it to work!! All I did was drill out the hole where the driveshaft goes through to snuggly fit in the bearing(the side where you put the gears on). Then I put toether the tranny case with just the driveshaft and bearings in it. Then I Glued the bearing in place and it all fits toghther perfectly! If I had a digital camera I would show u pics, but I don't. Thanks and good luck if you do that.


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[poopie]

did you drive it yet?

[1st Gear]

a guy put in a two speed in his tmaxx and the tmaxx has a two speed inside the trans.But he put another one on the outside and the shaft is the same length and shape on the outside of the stampede trans as the tmaxxes ala the slipper is the same thing on both this is why it is better to use the 4tecs trans.

[43CheeriosDodgefan]

ford drag racer: the reason i did not do that to my tranny is becuase it wouldnt be as strong. if this works and continues to work please tell me. i will have mine working in a month or so with the machined shaft. the other reason i did not do that is because the idler gear and the top shaft gears are not the same width. i was afriad id chew up my gear case but if it works, good job

[FORD_DragRacer141]

I didn't drive it yet bacause I screwed up the motor mount. I had to redrill the holes because it didn't line up right to the spur gears and you can't adjust the mount from left to right. And I just made the holes longer and forgot that they were tapped, so now I have to buy a new one http://www.traxxas.com/ubb/frown.gif



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[FORD_DragRacer141]

Does n e body know what I can do to make the clutch bell and spur gears to line up because the clutch bell is further to the right than the spur gears are. And I know that you can move the engine back and forth but not left and right. So what should I do???

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[43CheeriosDodgefan]

you could try this universal engine mount: ofna cnc 2-way universal engine mount part # 37957. price is $22.95. im not sure if tower hobbies has this mount but you can chaeck. if not take the part # and name of product to your LHS and they should be able to help you out. good luck

[FORD_DragRacer141]

okay... thanks a lot

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[N.stampedeJustin]

Warning i dont suggest putting these on they may destroy ur truck you shouldnt push the Nitro Stampede past 40 mph

[FORD_DragRacer141]

well my truck seems to be running pretty stinking good. Its flying up and down my street. I've been running it with the 2-speed for about a week and everything is the way it should be.



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[RaReKiNd]

Sounds to me you guys have WAY too much money,Way too much time.and NOT alot of common sence LOL you dont buy a N-Pede for speed!OHHHH yeah and when summin finally gives GOOD LUCK GETTIN IT FIXED RO*****

[FORD_DragRacer141]

okay look...I have like no money at all (I'm only 14) and to do this to my truck only costed me $60 and that was it. I don't have very much time on my hands either with school and things. And 4 ur info, I probably have a lot more common sense than u would ever have. Duh the pede isn't meant for speed. I don't want a 4-tec cause a wanna be able to go off road and on jumps while going fast at the same time. This truck has been working fine for the past week and is flying!! I'm gonna put it on the stip in march to see what it can do when I start drag racing again.

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[RaReKiNd]

Personaly i think you guys are missing the point of the N-Pede!!!It wasnt made to go 50 for a reason.And the company didnt make a 2 speed for it for the same reason.I hope if everyone who owns 1 or has seen 1 run understands what im saying.Its impossible enough to control at 30 much less 50.The wheel base is MUCH to short to be driven at these speeds in excess of 500 mile an hour scale speed LOL.Whatevere floats your boat i guessOhh by the way i wont belive it until i see a radar gun on 1 with my own eyes.So blow smoke if you want but the sun is always shinin on me!!!!

[RaReKiNd]

Personaly i think you guys are missing the point of the N-Pede!!!It wasnt made to go 50 for a reason.And the company didnt make a 2 speed for it for the same reason.I hope if everyone who owns 1 or has seen 1 run understands what im saying.Its impossible enough to control at 30 much less 50.The wheel base is MUCH to short to be driven at these speeds in excess of 500 mile an hour scale speed LOL.Whatevere floats your boat i guessOhh by the way i wont belive it until i see a radar gun on 1 with my own eyes.So blow smoke if you want but the sun is always shinin on me!!!!

[RaReKiNd]

Hey ford drag racer young buck guy.Im 25 pal so the common sence thing their uhhh WAKE UP.And if it was so practicle to make the pede do 50 costing another $60 dollars,How can you explain this pal $320 for new N-Pede(with tax ofcourse).$60 to painstakenly put on a "Jerry Rigged" 2 speed tranny.HMM $320 + $60 = $400 Wow!!!!Cost of New T-Maxx!!!That comes with 2 speed that is KNOWN to work + it comes with reverse..WOW you sure do have alot of common sence!!! I dont even know how i compete with you in the world.Ohhh yeah 1 more thing if you wanted a car but cant drive a touring car where you live their is such a thing as the HPI Super Rally Car (which i have on way) CHOKE ON THAT PUNK!!!!

[FORD_DragRacer141]

ooo...ur good. Believe me...I have my reasons why I didn't buy a t-maxx and why I'm doing the things I am to my truck. And I don't even know why u really care about what I am doing to my pede. Just worry about urself... http://www.traxxas.com/ubb/tongue.gif

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[43CheeriosDodgefan]

ford drag racer i have no idea how/if you got it to work on your truck. the only way i can see of getting it to fit is by using the entire gear box from an mt-pro. if it does work now on your truck it most likely will not last long. the rally cars arent that capable off-road. sure you can go in some grass of go through a field you wont be able to go through mud or even a plowed field. the stampede has lots more ground clearance than a rally car. and whats wrong with trying to get a stampede to go faster? and if you shop in the right places a n-stampede
would only cost you 290$. 320+60=380$

[FORD_DragRacer141]

well it's been working for the past like 8 days. It should hold up really well because I used some sort of epoxy that is used for dragster headers. That stuff is really tough! But I'll keep u updated on how it holds up.

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[nitroman3655]

sounds cool

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[kcrunch racer x]

its ben three months already post pics so we can get the scoop. not that i want to cahnge mine but i am curious as to how long it will hold up and how you managed to make it work when everyone i know to this day has failed to complete this amazing speed tactic. the one guy i know who made it work spent a bit more than 60 bux but he is modified to the max and had to add weight to keep his pede on the ground. post pics i m curious to see how you did it

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[putzld]

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by RaReKiNd:
Hey ford drag racer young buck guy.Im 25 pal so the common sence thing their uhhh WAKE UP.And if it was so practicle to make the pede do 50 costing another $60 dollars,How can you explain this pal $320 for new N-Pede(with tax ofcourse).$60 to painstakenly put on a "Jerry Rigged" 2 speed tranny.HMM $320 + $60 = $400 Wow!!!!Cost of New T-Maxx!!!That comes with 2 speed that is KNOWN to work + it comes with reverse..WOW you sure do have alot of common sence!!! I dont even know how i compete with you in the world.Ohhh yeah 1 more thing if you wanted a car but cant drive a touring car where you live their is such a thing as the HPI Super Rally Car (which i have on way) CHOKE ON THAT PUNK!!!!</font>
hehe correct me if im wrong but doesnt 320 plus 60 =380? hey i was right i jus checked on acalculater! so chonke on THAT!!!


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[nitro4u]

lol i dont think he is going to reply to that. and the t-maxx only goes 30 so if he bought a tmaxx it wouldnt even go faster then his stock pede